Pro Life group members have long been deeply concerned than the number of healthy white children given up for adoption has been decreasing for decades. This causes great concern to the Conservative woman who wants to be a mother AND keep her figure, and also to those couples with strong family values who just think sex is icky.
Abortion
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Vote liberal and let's see, I think you are wrong. The liberals have nothing to gain by pushing it further than a few platitudes. The conservatives gain actual political capital with the social right by doing it. For the liberals it is all risk and no return.
C'mon fuji you're smarter than that. How many oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and health of the mother. I'd say it's at least another 30-35%.
Abortion is the most divisive issue. And Trudeau treating it like it isn't is disingenuous. Bad policy move in my opinion. This guy certainly doesn't have the leadership cred of his father.
You're not a lawyer, either. While babies do have rights, a fetus, embryo or zoon does not. Human Rights legislation usually contains a phrase such as 'those born or naturalized...', so those entitled to such rights acquire them at birth, or when they enter the jurisdiction in which said legal code applies.
For example, if a woman lives in a country where abortion is illegal, (Ireland?), she cannot legally have an abortion in Ireland. If she travels to Denmark, and has the procedure performed there, neither she nor the Danish attending physician can be charged, under Irish law. Similarly, citizens of the state of Georgia can legally carry concealed firearms in nightclubs - in Georgia. That right is not extended, when they travel to somewhere in which the same law does not apply.
Having rights and feeling someone or something should have rights are completely different. The former is a law; the latter is an opinion.
At birth. That is the law.
Of course you are free to have an opinion that is different then the law or an opinion that the law should be changed.
Many people have reservations about late term abortions but there is no legal or philosophical agreement on when exactly a person becomes a person other than at birth.
Some would say that at birth babies still have not developed consciousness, though they are certainly operating at the level of a cat or something by then. Others like you attach magical significance to heartbeat which occurs in mid/early pregnancy.
The only thing we have all collectively agreed on through our laws is that you become a legal person with rights at birth.
So you're saiying the baby you'd send people to jail to protect still doesn't have a 'real' human life that worth as much as an adult woman's and it's OK to kill him to save her.
But even though she has that specially valuable life you still think she can't make her own decisions and something written in a lawbook should dictate to her and every woman that after anm arbitrary date they must become mothers no matter what they want, or think. Women are just too silly, emotional and above all, too involved to make such decisions.
Tell us that you'd want such a law forcing you to become a father. If men had a significant portion of their incomes taxed to support their progeny, far fewer of them would mouth off about abortions and deny a woman's right to decide to bear children. If they hand't so loudly preached their hypocritical sanctimony, while shaming and criminalizing the women they impregnated, and making single motherhood a form of impoverished semi-slavery, it's quite probable that the only 'late' abortions would be those health and life-preserving ones you excepted.
Certainly it's hard to imagine how a half year of pregnancy offers pleasures and benefits that would make it your choice until all that fun became tiresome, and you can then have your abortion. The way to eliminate the abortions you don't like is to ensure every child and every pregnancy is wanted and assured of a good future. Then who would choose one?
Punishments don't make anyone good; they don't make or society any better they just add their own victims to the original ones. Why don't you look up the stats on those 'late' abortions? Want to bet they're already only a very last resort, just like you want?
The purpose isn't really at issue in Justin's statement.
The fact is that in country - that sadly has a very hard time understanding freedom - neither the government nor the courts should tell someone what they can or can't do with their body or what is in their body. When that body becomes another body, then it has its own rights.
If you are part of the lib party then you must be pro-choice, otherwise the party is wishy washy.
How about a priest in the Catholic church who is not Catholic and doesn't follow Catholicism.
Political parties are a religion.
Lots of verbal diarrhea going on here about a lose/lose debate. We don't need that in Canada.
Until men are capable of gestating a fetus it's a woman's prerogative , nuff said.
Until men are capable of gestating a fetus it's a woman's prerogative , nuff said.
And some people would still vote for a lying drunk as Mayor. Making behaviour into a criminal offence does nothing to make mayors, voters or parents into good people who only make the choices you or I may think of as right.
In the specific example you gave—completely without statistics or evidence—all we have to do is forbid doctors and ultrasound technicians to reveal gender. Problem solved. Really think we can do that?
BT do you imagine people non-ethnic groups aren't just as prone to gender favouritism, or do you imagine they're morally stronger?
I don't have the stats to back this up, but abortions at 21 weeks are probably very rare, and very dangerous to the mother's health. The most common reason would be that carrying the fetus to term would endanger the mother's health. Most women who elect to have an abortion would know they are pregnant long before 21 weeks, and the majority wouldn't wait a few weeks before deciding to have the procedure.
Another possibility is that the woman might have wanted to have the procedure done earlier, but had to wait for an appointment, in part because most doctors do not perform the operation; it's more likely to be done by a clinical specialist. Women in some rural areas may have to travel hundreds of miles to be evacuated. In Newfoundland, abortion clinics have a nine month waiting list.
You should read the Ernest Hemingway short story Hills Like White Elephants. http://www.has.vcu.edu/eng/webtext/hills/hills.htm It's only four pages long, so it can be read in a single shit.
When late term abortions are performed, but the mother's health is not endangered, most would probably be for reasons like genetic illness/ deformity, etc., prenatal trauma, or Leroy made early parole.
Another reason for late term abortion would be information that the fetus had genetic abnormalities or other developmental problems.
Depending on your religious and philosophical beliefs, might be better to allow the family to abort and retry for a healthier child.
It is a hard moral choice, but no one better to make that choice then the mother.
Depending on your religious and philosophical beliefs, might be better to allow the family to abort and retry for a healthier child.
It is a hard moral choice, but no one better to make that choice then the mother.
If Mr. Trudeau Junior ever becomes Prime Minister, would the Liberal Party pass a law making it illegal for doctors to refuse performing abortions?
Ideally, you would not want to have abortions being performed by dermatologists, podiatrists, or Doctors of Philosophy.
