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What's to open up? Harper's "hidden agenda"? Or is he proposing to make laws restricting access?

Either way its a non-starter and a topic most Canadians don't won't to be on the agenda.
 
Butler1000 said:
What's to open up? Harper's "hidden agenda"? Or is he proposing to make laws restricting access?

Either way its a non-starter and a topic most Canadians don't won't to be on the agenda.
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That hidden agenda is out in full force on prostitution, you can take the quotes off now.
 
He's clearly trying to solidify his fem base with his position on prostitution and this (meaningless from a policy perspective) announcement.

My question is why is going hardline with his caucus now when he just made a big deal of cutting senators loose and allowing them to vote their conscience?
 
He's actually giving caucus members a pass; this particular party line is only being laid down for new candidates. It's kinda hard to see much difference between his, 'this is what we Liberals say we believe [or else!] and Harpers, 'we Conservatives don't ask and don't tell [or else!].

Considering we've not had any law on this matter since 1988, without society either going into the moral dumpster or achieving saintly perfection, but just trudging onward as we always have—with roughly the same numbers of us for and against—I cannot see why anyone but fools would want to disturb the peace by insisting we divide over this question.

Non-issue. Can we pleas get back to important stuff like whether or not that really was Rob's face I saw on my toast.
 
oldjones said:
He's actually giving caucus members a pass; this particular party line is only being laid down for new candidates. It's kinda hard to see much difference between his, 'this is what we Liberals say we believe [or else!] and Harpers, 'we Conservatives don't ask and don't tell [or else!].

Considering we've not had any law on this matter since 1988, without society either going into the moral dumpster or achieving saintly perfection, but just trudging onward as we always have—with roughly the same numbers of us for and against—I cannot see why anyone but fools would want to disturb the peace by insisting we divide over this question.

Non-issue. Can we pleas get back to important stuff like whether or not that really was Rob's face I saw on my toast.
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You should ebay that shit.
 
The first thing that Commie should do is undoe the damage his Father did to this country. Close the Central Bank of Canada and have the Government create the currency. Paying interest to these Central Bank criminals is beyond ridiculous and is kikking us and this planet....

BS
 
Big Sleazy said:
The first thing that Commie should do is undoe the damage his Father did to this country. Close the Central Bank of Canada and have the Government create the currency. Paying interest to these Central Bank criminals is beyond ridiculous and is kikking us and this planet....

BS
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Ummmm, what?
 
Absolutely stupid decision. There is no person in Canada that is 100% liberal or 100% conservative. If you start requiring your members vote a certain way, we're going to be worse off than the states. At least they have the pretense of not having to vote a certain way.

Abortion, at least some aspects of it, is a highly divisive issue. Not allowing debate, even within your own party, is undemocratic. Fuck me, Trudeau. Can we just get three new options to vote for next election? Because the current selection disgusts me.
 
George The Curious said:
Under ANY circumstances maybe too extreme, but SOME abortions should be limited, like some European countries are doing now.
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About sixty percent would say abortion should be restricted in the third trimester, but most of those people would still be pro choice with respect to the first trimester

The advocacy groups are extreme, either abortion should never be allowed our never be refused, but the average person has a more nuanced view. Assuming his definition of pro choice allows for a few nuances, he is on solid ground.
 
Whether you are Pro or Con.... This is a bad optic mistake by Trudeau.

His own Liberals don't like to be told they are robots. His opposition will have a field day.

For a party that continually says it wants to represent all people, and to be 'inclusive' Trudeau I believe has made a tactical error. This is gonna piss off his own candidates as much as the opposition. The opposition knows this us a non issue.

He may have given sitting members a 'pass'.... But if they are against abortion, or even pro abortion....they do not like being ordered what to think.
 
fuji said:
That hidden agenda is out in full force on prostitution, you can take the quotes off now.
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Nope. Because my bet is anyone who was in power at this time would be doing something along these lines.

He didn't bring in a "hidden agenda". But he sure had an easy one thrust upon him by those idiots.
 
fuji said:
About sixty percent would say abortion should be restricted in the third trimester, but most of those people would still be pro choice with respect to the first trimester
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Yes, third trimester abortions should be restricted. Does the current abortion law allow third trimester unconditionally? If so, it is a little extreme.
 
SkyRider said:
Here's the thing. Even though we live in a democracy, there is now no room for individual thoughts. Anyone who disagrees with gay marriage risk being fired. Anyone who doesn't socialize with blacks risk being banned from NBA games. Soon, anyone who opposes abortion will risk being fired and/or banned from NBA games.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/05/0...s-want-human-pesticide-abortion-pill-rejected

http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/politic...ge-on-the-hill-for-annual-march-for-life.html
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I too sense the society in pursuit of political correctness is losing moral common sense.
 
fmahovalich said:
Whether you are Pro or Con.... This is a bad optic mistake by Trudeau.

His own Liberals don't like to be told they are robots. His opposition will have a field day.
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They will complain if Jr ads cream to his coffee as his opposition are desperate already - the marijuana ads were stupid and showed how out of touch some of the conservatives are.

As far as your robot analogy goes - every party has party 'whips' to enforce the party line. Conservatives & liberals have both punished or tossed out members that do not follow the party lines so setting the ground rules of new candidates for the party makes sense.

BTW: I am not a party hack having voted back and forth generally against a party not in support of someone. I hated Trudeau Sr however I'm not stupid enough to assume Jr is as much as a dick as his Dad - yet. I have no idea what he stands for and when an election comes - I will pay more attention. All I know is that he advocates decriminalizing pot and he doesn't want people joining the party who do not share it's current views. Both of these ideas I do support.
 
capital hunter said:
Two months ago he said prostitution is violence against women (he generalized it)
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Ah the feminist views - fight for the right of woman to control her own body unless she decides to use it for prostitution. The first candidate that says he will legalize prostitution - be it Harper, Trudeau, or an anarchist ... will get my vote.
 
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