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Abortion Poll

Are you

  • pro-abortion

    Votes: 42 63.6%
  • anti-abortion

    Votes: 16 24.2%
  • indifferent

    Votes: 8 12.1%

  • Total voters
    66
  • Poll closed .

Frankfooter

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Keep in mind that I am not pro-life, but I do understand the other side of the issue. And frankly, I don't see how people can not understand it, even if they ultimately fall pro-choice, so long as they make any sort of effort. You talk about compassion as it pertains to a woman's body. Well, they see it as compassion as it pertains to an unborn baby. As I said, it's a thorny issue, specifically because of the ramifications either way.
It is a thorny issue, but really only for those who are hardcore religious types, and then its an issue of religious old white men trying to control women. Most of the rest of us have accepted its a women's choice.
 

bver_hunter

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Keep in mind that I am not pro-life, but I do understand the other side of the issue. And frankly, I don't see how people can not understand it, even if they ultimately fall pro-choice, so long as they make any sort of effort. You talk about compassion as it pertains to a woman's body. Well, they see it as compassion as it pertains to an unborn baby. As I said, it's a thorny issue, specifically because of the ramifications either way.
Abortion is not just a free for all. It is only under exception mitigating circumstances that women chose to undergo this procedure. Their own lives maybe compromised or the expected fetus may have huge medical issues that would be a strain on the family in the future. However, several abortions are due to forced sex or rape cases, and now it would be considered to be a crime to aid or abet the abortion for both the expectant mothers and anyone who is involved in performing this procedure. The affluent can get away with it scot free while the poorest in the society who were subjugated to forceful sex will bear the brunt of the new narrow minded anti-abortion legislations being implemented in several Red States!!
 

rhuarc29

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Abortion is not just a free for all. It is only under exception mitigating circumstances that women chose to undergo this procedure.
Huh? How do you come to that conclusion? I personally know two women who voluntarily took abortions simply because they did not intend on getting pregnant. No undue risk to mother, no undue risk to baby. Was not the result of rape either.
If I know of two myself, than there are plenty more examples out there. You aren't legally required to have mitigating reasons to have an abortion, and haven't needed them since 1988 I think it was. Your claim that it is only done under except of mitigating circumstances is an absurd one.

I do agree about how draconian the laws are in several red States. That's ridiculous.
 

Mr.Know-It-All

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Abortion is not just a free for all. It is only under exception mitigating circumstances that women chose to undergo this procedure.
Of the reasons why 1 out of 4 women get an abortion in their lifetime, only 12% is because of health issues and virtually none for rape. Stop perpetuating myths, lies, and propaganda.

 

bver_hunter

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Of the reasons why 1 out of 4 women get an abortion in their lifetime, only 12% is because of health issues and virtually none for rape. Stop perpetuating myths, lies, and propaganda.

So you are are being a bit naive to think that abortions do not occur because of rape. Normally rape victims in the past did not report it for the stigma attached to it. In Florida 0.15% were victims of rape. So is it alright now to have them forced to give birth to their Babies?? You are the one that has views that have nothing to do with a women's right to have an abortion.
 

bver_hunter

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Huh? How do you come to that conclusion? I personally know two women who voluntarily took abortions simply because they did not intend on getting pregnant. No undue risk to mother, no undue risk to baby. Was not the result of rape either.
If I know of two myself, than there are plenty more examples out there. You aren't legally required to have mitigating reasons to have an abortion, and haven't needed them since 1988 I think it was. Your claim that it is only done under except of mitigating circumstances is an absurd one.

I do agree about how draconian the laws are in several red States. That's ridiculous.
Those circumstances include being unable to afford the child and most are unmarried mothers. But did you know that several abortions were performed on minors without the knowledge of their own parents and family members? Also you could lump rape victims in that category because of the stigma attached to it. Your acquaintances do not represent the majority of the women having these abortions and reasons for doing so!!

ABORTION AND MINORS
  • 40% of minors having an abortion report that neither of their parents knew about the abortion (AGI).
 

rhuarc29

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Those circumstances include being unable to afford the child and most are unmarried mothers. But did you know that several abortions were performed on minors without the knowledge of their own parents and family members? Also you could lump rape victims in that category because of the stigma attached to it. Your acquaintances do not represent the majority of the women having these abortions and reasons for doing so!!
I never claimed it did represent the majority. In fact, I strictly said in another post that the majority of women who get abortions are doing it for mitigating reasons.
I just took issue with your post saying abortion was only undertaken for mitigating reasons, such as danger to health of mother and/or baby, or cases of rape. That's one of those statements made without an ounce of evidence or logic, because it's a feel-good, moralistic statement. Doesn't reflect reality.
 

poker

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Oh…. That kind of “Abortion poll”. I was thinking… ummm. Nevermind.
 

bver_hunter

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I never claimed it did represent the majority. In fact, I strictly said in another post that the majority of women who get abortions are doing it for mitigating reasons.
I just took issue with your post saying abortion was only undertaken for mitigating reasons, such as danger to health of mother and/or baby, or cases of rape. That's one of those statements made without an ounce of evidence or logic, because it's a feel-good, moralistic statement. Doesn't reflect reality.
Mitigating circumstances can be the inability to afford having a child, or the stigma of having a child based on a one night stand and the failure of the condom to prevent the pregnancy.
Another situation could be a very violent husband or partner that could be a danger to the livelihood of a child.
We have to bear in mind that all those that want an abortion, do not want to have a child in the first place. So think of the trauma to the child if they have no option but have to go ahead with the pregnancy!!
 
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