The Conservatives are doing again. The announcement came today about opening a discussion on redefining what a human being is. It's only one member taking this initiative, but I don't believe for a second he doesn't have the okay from higher up. This just gives the PMO or his close circle plausible deniability. Now a question arises, open or closed doors.
Abortion Debate By Stealth
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My joke suggests that speculators might want to stockpile coat hangers, to be used for back alley illegal abortions, if the current laws are repealed.
There was an extensive thread on this already a few months ago.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I think the abortion 'debate' in Canada is largely obscured my American media debates on the issue. Even if the government were successful in defining life as beginning at conception, that would only be a small step in curtailing abortion rights.
An excerpt from the Supreme Court decision in R v. Morgentaler:
The decision essentially stated that a woman has the right to choose not to be pregnant regardless of any other factors. Unlike the USA, we have on demand legal abortion available at any term in the pregnancy for that reason.
As an aside, I do think that life begins at conception but remain pro-choice regardless largely due to the above quoted facts. I view carrying a pregnancy to term in the same way as donating a kidney to someone. Its great if you do it, but if you can't/don't want to for whatever reason no one should be able to force you.
An excerpt from the Supreme Court decision in R v. Morgentaler:
(Section 251 refers to the Criminal Code of Canada, that section is what prohibited abortion except under certain circumstances. It was struck down in this decision)
The decision essentially stated that a woman has the right to choose not to be pregnant regardless of any other factors. Unlike the USA, we have on demand legal abortion available at any term in the pregnancy for that reason.
As an aside, I do think that life begins at conception but remain pro-choice regardless largely due to the above quoted facts. I view carrying a pregnancy to term in the same way as donating a kidney to someone. Its great if you do it, but if you can't/don't want to for whatever reason no one should be able to force you.
So blackrock, you are against open debate on issues? There can be no discussion of issues that remain controversial?
Alternatively, we could admit that the 400 year old legal definition of a "human being" is completed retarded and just recognize that abortion is a completely separate issue.
A bridge too far? Yeah, I suppose it is. But you gotta admit, the 400 year old definition is definited out of date and simply WRONG!!!!
A bridge too far? Yeah, I suppose it is. But you gotta admit, the 400 year old definition is definited out of date and simply WRONG!!!!
Being an atheist, I can safely say that yes a kidney has a soul exactly the way a full human does. But you missed my point, in my example the fetus is comparable to the recipient of the kidney (who its presumed would die without it).
I'm not exactly sure how you get from my post to those question but, open discussion on everything no, open discussion on some things yes, burt open between whom? that depends. That's case specific. Just like I don't believe in plebiscites or referenda on everything, I also don't think open forums should be done on all similar matters.
Yet really wasn't my point. Harper has 'said' over and over that he won't reopen the abortion debate and yet here is an attempt to lay the ground work to move the goal posts towards making abortion less palatable and wider prohibition more easily covered by the present laws.
Until they do. As we all know the Justice Minister always speaks the truth. Nice try. You're tryin' too hard to be a wannabe bully.
Harper, and other minsters, have said numerous times they won't reopen the abortion debate. And I take him at his word. He's too smart of a politician to go down that road. The vote on the motion, when it comes, will be the interesting thing. Private members motions are usually a free vote but will Harper whip enough of his caucus to make sure this thing dies?
Interesting that you think they're dead in their track and even more interesting that you think I'm responsible. That kind of shows your grasp on reality. I know it was a joke. A dumb one but a joke just the same. We are getting use to those recently.
You'd better take your dog for a walk it looks like he needs it. It's been said that people tend to resemble their pets. Hmmm.
Wow. I normally like your posts but here, you are extolling the virtues of censorship and oppression. The notion that some topics can't be discussed, is as undemocratic a notion as exists. I would hate to live in a society where I was not able to express my support of or distaste for vital social issues. Wow.
I've noticed this one consistent error on your part without fail in all you rambling threads..it could have something to do with poor adult literacy..whatever,,,but please from now on...when you are writing a sentece such as,,, "we are getting USE to.... the proper english word is getting USED to. i mean for the amount of time you waste writing senseless threads..you might as well derive some side benefits improving your grammar. over and out Boy Scout
i have emailed stephen woodworth my opinons on his position it behooves all canadians who are disgusted by this old codger to do the same
