Gotta respect the people who perfected a good ol' fashioned vendetta.seth gecko said:I'd shoot at #1, as is the custom of my people....Sicilians!
I shoot at 4, to wound, if he decided to get up and still has his gun I aim for his head.
Gotta respect the people who perfected a good ol' fashioned vendetta.seth gecko said:I'd shoot at #1, as is the custom of my people....Sicilians!
Fair enough - thanks.Don said:I take the concept of shooting someone very very seriously and something I'd like to avoid. If there is a chance that a warning shot might scare the guy away without any bloodshed, I'll give it a shot (literally).
Where'd you get this idea?333conan said:If the police shoot at a criminal who is running away, they are allowed, why can't we?
Please don't tell me you've never heard of the police shooting at a known criminal for evading capture.Don said:Where'd you get this idea?
I HAVE heard of investigations into police actions when they use unnecessary force.333conan said:Please don't tell me you've never heard of the police shooting at a known criminal for evading capture.
It's hard to ignore the legalities. What legal or moral right do you have to use deadly force for 1-4?kkelso said:The following series of events take place. At what point in this sequence of events is it ethically and morally (ignore legalities) acceptable to shoot?
1 - A man you do not know in your vicinity buys a gun
2 - The man walks by your house several times with gun in hand
3 - The man walks onto your property
4 - The man test your back door handle to see if it's locked
5 - The man enters your house
6 - The man shoots at you but misses
7 - The man shoots and hits you.
Ah, you didn't write that in your first post.kkelso said:So to be clear, a guy with a gun in his hand just forced his way through your back door and is standing in your kitchen, you would fire a shot in the ceiling to warn him off?
If he didn't announce that he was the police, and he had no legal reason for being there, doesn't matter. Police aren't exempt from the law (and cops DO break the law as demonstrated recently with a cop caught DUI).Mencken said:Trick question.
The man is a cop.
Aardvark154 said:Is this a legal question, and if so in what jurisdiction - Ontario or elsewhere?
Or, is this a hypothetical morality-ethics question?
Mencken said:Trick question.
The man is a cop.
You aren't concerned they might have to visit daddy in jail?kkelso said:This is a "hypothetical morality-ethics question", so jurisdiction does not come into it. I suppose the reason I worded it the way I did was the presumption that in this exact situation, with my kids sleeping upstairs, I probably wouldn't be thinking about the the law.
I'm sure I would be concerned. But in the two break-ins and one robbery I've experienced in my life I was not standing there ticking points of law off my fingers, I was reacting on instinct. Of course all of those were before I had kids.Brill said:You aren't concerned they might have to visit daddy in jail?
Bingo. When the question involves "rights" it is very hard to ignore legalities.Aardvark154 said:It's hard to ignore the legalities. What legal or moral right do you have to use deadly force for 1-4?
For five is the man armed, are you in fear of your life? The fact that you are in your own house in most North American jurisdictions would eliminate the necessity of "retreat."
Absolutely you have the right to use deadly force for 6 & 7.
Yes, very hard. It's clear that to several of the posters so far their standard is:thompo69 said:Bingo. When the question involves "rights" it is very hard to ignore legalities.