A question about Y.M.M.V.

[Willow Samoan]

So I have a question for you guys in regards to your millage may vary. Let's say for instance greek is associated with a high level of Y.M.M.V. Would you understand that this service is only given to select clients or would you rather see this service on the girls restricted list and why? I thank you in advance for your comments.

XoXo
Peachy/Val.
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[justfor]

If a service is advertised as YMMV, to me, it is understood as you have mentioned, that it is available only to certain clients and not to everyone. The certain clients will be someone you have seen before or your regulars, and with whom you have established a high comfort level.

If a service is listed under the girls' restricted list, to me, this is off-limit, and I will not even discuss or enquire about it.

 

[Willow Samoan]

I'm not quite sure I'm understanding what you mean by, "would you rather see this service on the girls restricted list"?

Do you think it's fair to use the term Y.M.M.V. for some services. Meaning that a certain service may not be available for all. Or do you think the service should be removed from the list of things available on websites, ads, ect and additionally put into the restricted list. I hope that makes sense. I'd really appreciate hearing how you guys feel about this. Thank you.

 

[Jackinthebox1]

I agree with both sugar and justfor. Stating a specific service is ymmv is commonly understood to mean that you do do it, but just not with everyone (at your discretion), whereas a specific act listed under restricted typically indicates you DO NOT offer this to anyone (it's a no fly zone). Any client with class, as stated by justfor, shouldn't even be asking about restricted services for fear of pressuring the SP into something they've already stated as not available. It really depends if you want to entertain the possibility and discussion of doing this specific service with your clients, or would you prefer it not even be considered an option and therefore not have to turn someone down. Ymmv = being asked and having the choice to offer or decline. Restricted = shouldn't even be talked about (unless the client likes being pushy and thinks they have the right to more than you've stated you're comfortable with). That's how I take it when looking at ads or websites. Hope that makes sense.

 

[itd131]

I think it depends on how often you honestly plan to provide the service. As a guideline, if it's something you almost never do, then list it as restricted. If it's something you do more often than not, then YMMV should be fine. If you list a service as YMMV but almost never provide it, the danger is you may come off as a liar who is just trying to increase business by false advertising. For example, there is an sp who comes to mind who listed greek as one of her options but anytime she was reviewed, not one client had received greek from her. Although maybe she did offer it from time to time, she probably should have listed it as restricted because it appeared to be something she rarely did and opened the door to being accused of dishonest advertising.

 

[Kid1956]

Do you think it's fair to use the term Y.M.M.V. for some services. Meaning that a certain service may not be available for all. Or do you think the service should be removed from the list of things available on websites, ads, ect and additionally put into the restricted list. I hope that makes sense. I'd really appreciate hearing how you guys feel about this. Thank you.

I think it should be removed from the list of things available on website and put in the restricted list.

 

[dynomyte]

Here is my two cents. I actually find the YMMV quite insulting. I never use to worry about it and really never thought much of it until I recently had an experience where many items from the YMMV list were denied to me and then I was insulted. Though I had seen this many times before, I had never been denied the YMMV listed items so never thought much of it. It completely ruined my experience with the SP because I was like, "WTF? How am I so repulsive? Who gets this privilege?" I do understand it for some things like greek where an SP wants to inform people she can and will offer it, but size could be an issue. However, if you don't want to offer BBBJ, DATY, or DFK, to some but might to others when they arrive, just don't advertise it and then when you want to do it, do it. Why insult the client for no reason?

 

[Jiffy Pop]

I would have no problem with you posting a service as ymmv. Actually having been in this hobby for so many years and using these boards many times services I received are not always the same as what others got. I think all visits can have a little bit of ymmv.

 

[withpassion]

I would think there are two things to consider.

First, if it's an add-on, that would make it very awkward in a YMMV situation, especially if you insist on upfront payment.

Second, I think if you put in your reasoning (eg. depending on your size) and state your mood at the moment (eg. not up for it)--you should be able to indicate that it's off the table prior to meeting--so no issues there.

 

[Willow Samoan]

I think it depends on how often you honestly plan to provide the service. As a guideline, if it's something you almost never do, then list it as restricted. If it's something you do more often than not, then YMMV should be fine. If you list a service as YMMV but almost never provide it, the danger is you may come off as a liar who is just trying to increase business by false advertising. For example, there is an sp who comes to mind who listed greek as one of her options but anytime she was reviewed, not one client had received greek from her. Although maybe she did offer it from time to time, she probably should have listed it as restricted because it appeared to be something she rarely did and opened the door to being accused of dishonest advertising.

That's what I was afraid of.

Here's another option for you guys. I know it's the escorts choice to do what she wants with her business, ect, ect, but ultimately you guys are the consumers, so... How do you guys feel about escorts not putting a certain high ymmv service in the restricted list, if the escort doesn't advertise this service publicly? Do you feel that this would provide the escort more control over who receives the service in question without looking like a liar?

Thanks for the honest replies.
You guys are awesome.
XoXo
Peachy/Val.

 

[jonskis]

Perhaps the way to go is by starting with you own level of tolerance or comfort because, as you said, it is your business and, more importantly, it is your body. To me, all services that might be provided are YMMV. Why? If the customer presents himself/herself as clean and hygienic, and is respectful in his/her manner, then the escort may usually be prepared to provide services, and maybe even those not advertised. So, the YMMV caveat really should not be something for you, as the provider, or the customer to over-think. That is, YMMV is (or should be) understood as a direct reference to your level of tolerance/comfort. But if you feel it's important to spell it out, then no harm in doing so. And as for the restricted list, simple: put down on it things you absolutely will not do and is not open to negotiation, period. By spelling things out, and being specific about services on your restricted list, you are being clear, which customers that come to you, and even those who won't, will understand and can respect.

 

[withpassion]

Well, that would work just fine...but, you have to consider how to approach that. Do you just say, "Hey, wanna fuck me in the ass?" at some point during the session? I'm not trying to be crude, but that is the basic premise. And if you say that, is there a premium? How do you approach that? If it's all inclusive, then that is definitely the way to go.

 

[Willow Samoan]

Well, that would work just fine...but, you have to consider how to approach that. Do you just say, "Hey, wanna fuck me in the ass?" at some point during the session? I'm not trying to be crude, but that is the basic premise. And if you say that, is there a premium? How do you approach that? If it's all inclusive, then that is definitely the way to go.

​I was thinking it would encourage clients to ask for this, rather than having a flat out no I do not offer this, or yes I do this. I thought this would encourage a conversation about who would get this service(established clients), how much it would cost, that ymmv effects this ect. It wouldn't be mentioned unless asked for by the clients.

I wouldn't allow greek as a last minute service anyway.

 

[withpassion]

​I was thinking it would encourage clients to ask for this rather than having a flat out no I do not offer this. It wouldn't be mentioned unless asked for by the clients. I wouldn't allow greek to be a last minute option anyway.

I'm not sure I understand your approach. You will wait for a prospective client to ask for it, but you haven't met them yet and so how/when do you decide if it's a go or not? Based on what you've written, it would be prior to meeting. Doesn't this put you the same position if it's mentioned as YMMV?

EDIT: Oh, unless you mean that if it's mentioned by the client, then you can determine how you feel about doing that at the moment?

 

[Willow Samoan]

I'm not sure I understand your approach. You will wait for a prospective client to ask for it, but you haven't met them yet and so how/when do you decide if it's a go or not? Based on what you've written, it would be prior to meeting. Doesn't this put you the same position if it's mentioned as YMMV?

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for your feedback.

 

[OutForFun]

The term YMMV comes from the automobile advertising world when it came to listing the miles per gallon a car got. The reason it car mileage can vary isn't that the car is feeling a certain way but rather a combination of how the driver drives (heavy acceleration, lots of hard braking), or where they tend drive (country or city). Anyway my point is the Vary part was due to the behaviour of the consumer. I personally feel that any time a lady offers a service as YMMV, she should articulate clearly the circumstances under which she will offer the service. In your case it may the size of a man or hygiene. If so then list these criteria in your advertising. If on the other hand its a matter of whether your in the mood, state that it depends on the day and ask guys to inquire on the exact day of a prospective date whether you will in the mood to offer it that day. If so then be prepared to have advance bookings that may get cancelled. If its a matter of personal chemistry then state its not a service you offer on the first meeting. If its a completely random spur of the moment, whim type of thing then it should be listed as a restriction because it ceases to be a service the guy has any control over or notice whether he will be receiving it or not. I consider advertising services as available but YMMV under such circumstances to be highly unprofessional.

 

[ValeriaBeleza]

I think you should be clear as to what you are comfortable with for you, for your body and advertise it as such. Be also clear in your advertisement what is restricted and what is upsell. So that way anything on that threshold can potentially be YMMV. Many girls will state YMMV, wait for the session... they guy takes the booking having an expectation and they upsell the said service, many girls do it as B & S ad I believe that is not fair for the client..... this is Intel from very frustrated customers that come see me......

 

[ladez1st]

First off, I'm not one to take it personally when I'm not offered a YMMV service. I understand there are many reasons for this and figure if a particular service is so important to me, then I should establish it's availability beforehand or engage with someone who doesn't tag it as YMMV.

To me, it's all about how you want to market yourself and your services...

If you unconditionally list a service, then I expect it's "on the menu" and available to me.
If you list a service as a restriction, then I consider it "off the menu". (therefore no sense asking for it).
:eyebrows: If you list a service as YMMV, then I consider it "on the menu" , but only available under some circumstances (therefore it's okay to inquire about it and the circumstances).

 

[itd131]

That's what I was afraid of.

Here's another option for you guys. I know it's the escorts choice to do what she wants with her business, ect, ect, but ultimately you guys are the consumers, so... How do you guys feel about escorts not putting a certain high ymmv service in the restricted list, if the escort doesn't advertise this service publicly? Do you feel that this would provide the escort more control over who receives the service in question without looking like a liar?

Thanks for the honest replies.
You guys are awesome.
XoXo
Peachy/Val.

I suggest you openly advertise any services that you will provide to anyone, or pretty much anyone (assuming the client doesn't present himself as a rude, smelly asshole, I'm sure you get the idea).

If there are particular services that you offer more often than not, you could list them as ymmv, keeping in mind that it may offend some clients or create the occasional awkward situation. A lot of SPs do this, however, so it probably isn't a bad business decision. I suppose it does attract clients who might be looking for that service and most of the time they will get what they're looking for. Seems that would be good for business.

If you want to avoid the possible negative effects of listing YMMV, or for those services that you rarely provide, list the services as restrictions. In my experience, most escorts, or at least many escorts, provide services above and beyond what they advertise to their best clients. This includes services that they list as restrictions. By "best clients" I mean guys who are regular, repeat customers who are respectful and where a rapport develops over time. This seems to be the type of situation you are describing. If you list a service as a restriction, you aren't discouraging any business as most of us know there is always a potential, but definitely not a guarantee, for "restricted" services. I think we also realize not to expect anything above what you advertise and that the only time it might happen is if we invest some time, consideration and loyalty into the arrangement.

Hope that make sense

 

[Willow Samoan]

The term YMMV comes from the automobile advertising world when it came to listing the miles per gallon a car got. The reason it car mileage can vary isn't that the car is feeling a certain way but rather a combination of how the driver drives (heavy acceleration, lots of hard braking), or where they tend drive (country or city). Anyway my point is the Vary part was due to the behaviour of the consumer. I personally feel that any time a lady offers a service as YMMV, she should articulate clearly the circumstances under which she will offer the service. In your case it may the size of a man or hygiene. If so then list these criteria in your advertising. If on the other hand its a matter of whether your in the mood, state that it depends on the day and ask guys to inquire on the exact day of a prospective date whether you will in the mood to offer it that day. If so then be prepared to have advance bookings that may get cancelled. If its a matter of personal chemistry then state its not a service you offer on the first meeting. If its a completely random spur of the moment, whim type of thing then it should be listed as a restriction because it ceases to be a service the guy has any control over or notice whether he will be receiving it or not. I consider advertising services as available but YMMV under such circumstances to be highly unprofessional.

That makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for your detailed response. I have always understood ymmv in regards to hygiene and attitude. However, I have never really been involved with ymmv in regards to the service I provide and I completely agree with everything you have said.

If you want to avoid the possible negative effects of listing YMMV, or for those services that you rarely provide, list the services as restrictions. In my experience, most escorts, or at least many escorts, provide services above and beyond what they advertise to their best clients. This includes services that they list as restrictions. By "best clients" I mean guys who are regular, repeat customers who are respectful and where a rapport develops over time. This seems to be the type of situation you are describing. If you list a service as a restriction, you aren't discouraging any business as most of us know there is always a potential, but definitely not a guarantee, for "restricted" services. I think we also realize not to expect anything above what you advertise and that the only time it might happen is if we invest some time, consideration and loyalty into the arrangement.

That's such great advice and I do think that does apply to me.
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I think that this advice can be applied to many other services other than greek. It's great to hear what you guys have to say. It was nice talking to you guys about this. Please feel free to continue this conversation, as I think it's so helpful to hear what the consumers have to say.

XoXo
Peachy/Val.