A little rant about SP tactics / A warning to "Johns"

[Questor]

Lurker, I am sorry if you got ripped off. And the reason I say IF, is because your language was more vague in your first post - "quite sure" - as opposed to "absolutely positive". I agree with your decision not to name the SP, because you are only quite sure. If you were positive about the 3 x $20, you should be telling the whole world who it is.

What I do myself is pay in $50 bills. Its easier to count 5 x $50 than it is to count 12 x $20, or at least a mistake is less likely. Or more importantly, she knows a mistake is less likely. Oh, I also place the money in an envelope, and recount it at least twice so that I am not "quite sure", but rather I am "absolutely sure" that the amount is correct. That way, at the moment when the SP tells me I am short, there is NO doubt about what is going on.

After reflecting on your situation, I think I would have demanded my money back and left. Why would I want to get naked and have sex with a lying thief? Talk about killing the mood. She'd probably demand some sort of cancellation fee, so I'd likely be out closer to $50, but at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I didn't give into her little scam, and at least she didn't make $250 on the deal. And then I'd come on here and write about it, including her name.

Oh, and about the 10 minutes at the end, yes, you are right to feel like you were cheated on that one. She was behind on her scheduling and she decided to steal 10 minutes from you in order to get caught up.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I think its worthwhile to bring these issues up every once in awhile, if nothing else then for the newer members, but also as a reminder for others who should know better.

 

[Babypowder]

Not 2 days, it was more like a couple of hours. I clearly withdrew and counted $200 and put 3 $20 bills on that envelope. I precounted it again before I went to sleep. I lock my door and nobody touches my personal belongings in my house whatsoever. I know that $260 would still be $260 no matter if its 2 days or 10 years.

after being asked if you counted the money all at once twice now is when you say you 'precounted it'? I mean if that was the case there would be no need for the whole story about your atm withdraw limits

I have hobbied many many times before and I have always left it to the girl to be decent. I don't do that because it makes things awkward.

i dont see how making sure that the woman is paid in full would make things awkward. when i go to a store and purchase something that costs hundreds of dollars, and if i pay exact change im not going to just give the cashier the money and run out the store. i want my receipt, proof that i paid, and my 'receipt' in the pooning world is seeing the womans acknowledgement that it's all there. its a business just like any other minus the fact that its legal, which would give me more reason to make sure that everything is straight on both end because i cant call the cops because there's a discrepancy in payment.

Does anybody here just hand a SP an envelope and hop in the shower with out making sure the business is straight first? i guess so after reading koreanenvy's post i guess if i continue to never use envelopes and run in the shower i will be ok. I mean id understand if you were a super long term client, but shes not my SO there's no trust here on either end. whenever i go pooning i count the cash all at once for starters, right in front of her, or I'll hand it to her and wait for that acknowledgement . i mean look at it from her end. you hand her an envelope she just throws it aside you fuck the shit out of her for 60 mins and when she opens up the envelope afterwards to stash the money its a wad of Canadian tire money.

it sucks that you believe you were 'shafted' 40 dollars that you would have probably tipped her with any ways but this is like getting your car stolen because you left the keys in the ignition and the windows down.

 

[lurker2011]

Lurker, I am sorry if you got ripped off. And the reason I say IF, is because your language was more vague in your first post - "quite sure" - as opposed to "absolutely positive". I agree with your decision not to name the SP, because you are only quite sure. If you were positive about the 3 x $20, you should be telling the whole world who it is.

What I do myself is pay in $50 bills. Its easier to count 5 x $50 than it is to count 12 x $20, or at least a mistake is less likely. Or more importantly, she knows a mistake is less likely. Oh, I also place the money in an envelope, and recount it at least twice so that I am not "quite sure", but rather I am "absolutely sure" that the amount is correct. That way, at the moment when the SP tells me I am short, there is NO doubt about what is going on.

After reflecting on your situation, I think I would have demanded my money back and left. Why would I want to get naked and have sex with a lying thief? Talk about killing the mood. She'd probably demand some sort of cancellation fee, so I'd likely be out closer to $50, but at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing that I didn't give into her little scam, and at least she didn't make $250 on the deal. And then I'd come on here and write about it.

Oh, and about the 10 minutes at the end, yes, you are right to feel like you were cheated on that one. She was behind on her scheduling and she decided to steal 10 minutes from you in order to get caught up.

About my language, I was aware that I used "quite sure" because there is indeed a possibility that I was wrong. But the chances of that are really slim because I am 100% sure I got $200 from my bank and sure would feel "funny" if I only put in 1 more $20 bill as she would claim.

 

[Babypowder]

Lurker, I am sorry if you got ripped off. And the reason I say IF, is because your language was more vague in your first post - "quite sure" - as opposed to "absolutely positive". .

there is no difference between being quite sure and absolutely positive

 

[Questor]

SPs prefer to count it discretely while you're in the shower. They don't want to count it in front of you. It ruins the GFE.

I agree with this comment, and disagree with those saying that you should just count the money in front of her. It can kill the mood.

 

[Questor]

there is no difference between being quite sure and absolutely positive

I am quite sure there is a difference. LOL

About my language, I was aware that I used "quite sure" because there is indeed a possibility that I was wrong. But the chances of that are really slim because I am 100% sure I got $200 from my bank and sure would feel "funny" if I only put in 1 more $20 bill as she would claim.

Yes, I get what you are saying. I just think that my way removes that tiny sliver of doubt. With all doubt removed, it becomes more clear to me what the correct course of action is.

So if there is no doubt that she is a lying thief, why not tell us her name so we can avoid her? Seems like just payment for ripping you off. On the other hand, if there is a really slim chance you are wrong, better not tell us who it is. Just warn us to be careful.

 

[lurker2011]

Well Babypowder, lets just say that I am not going to get technical and argue about what words I'm using or weather I wrote ths or that like this is a courtroom. Just make the most use of whatever I posted in here. If you feel like laying your money out there and implying to the woman that she is a whore, then you are of course free to do whatever you like.

There are guys out there like Vatielvo and me who put the money in the envelop and let the woman be decent and spare her that money counting moment.

 

[Babypowder]

I am quite sure there is a difference. LOL

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+quite
quite. To the utmost or most absolute extent or degree; absolutely; completely: "it's quite out of the question".

when some one says 'i am not quite sure'. they are not completely sure

I agree with this comment, and disagree with those saying that you should just count the money in front of her. It can kill the mood.

i know what will kill the mood for me. getting ripped off.

Well Babypowder, lets just say that I am not going to get technical and argue about what words I'm using or weather I wrote ths or that like this is a courtroom. Just make the most use of whatever I posted in here. If you feel like laying your money out there and implying to the woman that she is a whore, then you are of course free to do whatever you like.

so i guess locking my car doors im implying that every ones a thief? no. Its just making sure that shes paid and i didn't miscount because human error happens all the time and will continue to happen even with the simplest tasks. and No need to be snappy just because *puts on shades* you're under the whether

 

[39ajaxmale]

I agree with this comment, and disagree with those saying that you should just count the money in front of her. It can kill the mood.

Who are we kidding? You're paying. They're only with you because you're paying. If it didn't kill the mood when I filled that envelope with cash and dropped it on the desk on the way in, why would it kill the mood when I ensured the girl counted it and was satisfied, and neither of us were uncomfortable about the amount being right?

I once had a girl tell me I had mis-paid her, I was standing right there as she counted again, and realized indeed the amount was right. Everyone can miscount, it takes a special kinda person to sneak a couple $20 bills into their pocket with you standing watching. If watching a girl count money kills the mood for you, don't watch, look away, but sure as hell don't leave the room giving her the opportunity to steal. I'm not saying that working girls are prone to theft. I've never had an issue, but I don't leave the room either.

 

[Thunderballs]

I had a similar incident with an SP from a well known and reputable agency once. Don't PM me, she has since retired. It was a half hour appointment and so I got $200 from the bank machine which was $160 for the half hour and $40 for a tip afterward. I split off the $40 and put it in my pocket and counted out the $160 to myself and left it on the bureau. I don't tip in advance as do some unwise hobbyists. When I got out of the shower the girl says I was $20 short. Whatever. As if a Royal Bank ATM makes mistakes counting? So I reach in my pants and take a $20 from the $40. Here you go sweetie. Business done I commenced to fuck the crap out of her. I really made her earn that stolen $20. The deed done, I showered and split. In reality she screwed herself out of a $40 tip (which I would have gladly paid) and had to settle for the $20 she stole. I never booked her again. Lesson learned. I now count out the money right under their nose that way there is no problem and I have not had a single incident of being shorted since. I also now tend to pay at the end of the session where I can count out the donation and tip all at once.

 

[frankcastle]

Well Babypowder, lets just say that I am not going to get technical and argue about what words I'm using or weather I wrote ths or that like this is a courtroom. Just make the most use of whatever I posted in here. If you feel like laying your money out there and implying to the woman that she is a whore, then you are of course free to do whatever you like.

There are guys out there like Vatielvo and me who put the money in the envelop and let the woman be decent and spare her that money counting moment.

I always lay the money out for her to see. In fact I fan it so that I can do one last inspection to make sure that I counted right.

To me envelopes are worse because the girl can't see what is inside. When the money is laid out it is obvious she can scoop it up and we can get started. I find the first few minutes of money exchange and shower are the pregame..... after that it's all funtime. That's just my preference for girls that allow payment at the end and guys like to do that more power to them.

I disagree that laying money out makes the girl feel like a whore but after a recent and long thread on another topic I'm learning that some people won't change their thoughts. to me it reeks of guys who have watched too much Secret Diary of a Call Girl and think that the envelope is cool.

Unless I was making it rain and making the girl crawl forthe money or licking the bills one by one and sticking them to her ass..... a simple hand off of cash or laying of the money on the nightstand or counter is fine.

So I agree that there are ways to make a woman feel like shit when you pay her but a simple open hand off is not one of them.

BTW Lurker sorry you were ripped off. Think of it as a $50 lesson..... could have been worse.

Real question is do you plan on handling the money exchange differently from now on?

 

[lurker2011]

I am quite sure there is a difference. LOL


Yes, I get what you are saying. I just think that my way removes that tiny sliver of doubt. With all doubt removed, it becomes more clear to me what the correct course of action is.

So if there is no doubt that she is a lying thief, why not tell us her name so we can avoid her? Seems like just payment for ripping you off. On the other hand, if there is a really slim chance you are wrong, better not tell us who it is. Just warn us to be careful.

I just don't do that because first of all, I am a decent person. I do not like to hurt anybody's feelings. Second, we know what would happen next. It will become a he said she said thing and a Mod will step in and will probably delete this thread thereby defeating my purpose of spreading this information to other hobbyists.

Like I said, I count hundreds of thousands of dollars Monday to Friday and I am usually error free. I am 100% sure I got $200 from my bank and almost quite sure that I put in 3 more $20 bills. There is indeed a small possibility of error which I acknowledge.

And to the SP, I deliberately altered the time of the meeting so as not to out you. I will not answer PM's regarding your identity either from fellow members here. You can also consider this as an honest to goodness advice to you that you should take care of your clients. I am sure that you would prefer a repeat customer rather than a new one. If you are not sure "you" are who I am referring to this thread, I will give 2 hints. There was a large mirror on the left side of the bed and I can see the TD Tower and KPMG at your incall. I hope you take this advice into heart and hope I am not giving you emotional grief. Good luck to yourself.

 

[lurker2011]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+quite
quite. To the utmost or most absolute extent or degree; absolutely; completely: "it's quite out of the question".

when some one says 'i am not quite sure'. they are not completely sure







i know what will kill the mood for me. getting ripped off.





so i guess locking my car doors im implying that every ones a thief? no. Its just making sure that shes paid and i didn't miscount because human error happens all the time and will continue to happen even with the simplest tasks. and No need to be snappy just because *puts on shades* you're under the whether

This is not a courtroom so let's do away with the choice of words and spellings.

 

[gww]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+quite
quite. To the utmost or most absolute extent or degree; absolutely; completely: "it's quite out of the question".

when some one says 'i am not quite sure'. they are not completely sure

Holy fuck man. Someone tries to give you some info and all you can do it pick on a specific word. Give it a rest. Lurker's right, its like a court room.

 

[lurker2011]

I always lay the money out for her to see. In fact I fan it so that I can do one last inspection to make sure that I counted right.

To me envelopes are worse because the girl can't see what is inside. When the money is laid out it is obvious she can scoop it up and we can get started. I find the first few minutes of money exchange and shower are the pregame..... after that it's all funtime. That's just my preference for girls that allow payment at the end and guys like to do that more power to them.

I disagree that laying money out makes the girl feel like a whore but after a recent and long thread on another topic I'm learning that some people won't change their thoughts. to me it reeks of guys who have watched too much Secret Diary of a Call Girl and think that the envelope is cool.

Unless I was making it rain and making the girl crawl forthe money or licking the bills one by one and sticking them to her ass..... a simple hand off of cash or laying of the money on the nightstand or counter is fine.

So I agree that there are ways to make a woman feel like shit when you pay her but a simple open hand off is not one of them.

BTW Lurker sorry you were ripped off. Think of it as a $50 lesson..... could have been worse.

Real question is do you plan on handling the money exchange differently from now on?

Good question. I've been thinking of maybe withdrawing from the teller 2 $100 and 1 $50 so as to eliminate the chances of miscounting but even that isn't 100% foolproof. She could also say I am short 1 $100 bills but at least I can minimize the chances compared to if I give her a stack of $20.

 

[frankcastle]

I just don't do that because first of all, I am a decent person. I do not like to hurt anybody's feelings. Second, we know what would happen next. It will become a he said she said thing and a Mod will step in and will probably delete this thread thereby defeating my purpose of spreading this information to other hobbyists.

Like I said, I count hundreds of thousands of dollars Monday to Friday and I am usually error free. I am 100% sure I got $200 from my bank and almost quite sure that I put in 3 more $20 bills. There is indeed a small possibility of error which I acknowledge.

And to the SP, I deliberately altered the time of the meeting so as not to out you. I will not answer PM's regarding your identity either from fellow members here. You can also consider this as an honest to goodness advice to you that you should take care of your clients. I am sure that you would prefer a repeat customer rather than a new one. If you are not sure "you" are who I am referring to this thread, I will give 2 hints. There was a large mirror on the left side of the bed and I can see the TD Tower and KPMG at your incall. I hope you take this advice into heart and hope I am not giving you emotional grief. Good luck to yourself.

If you are certain that she was in the wrong why not write about it? How were the services? might just mean that guys who go to see her should be careful about the exchnage. And even in saying that is not all that bad because you should always be careful about money exchanges in any line of business.

 

[frankcastle]

Good question. I've been thinking of maybe withdrawing from the teller 2 $100 and 1 $50 so as to eliminate the chances of miscounting but even that isn't 100% foolproof. She could also say I am short 1 $100 bills but at least I can minimize the chances compared to if I give her a stack of $20.

Nah dude the problem with handling the exchange is not the bill type..... the flaw was giving an opening where a claim could be made that you made a mistake.

Count it out in front of her. It is not going to offend her (she was comfortable with her profession long before you arrived at the door) and it ensures you don't get ripped off. And if you are still concerned about how she feels then ask yourself what is more important $50 or her hurt feelings (which 99% won't be affected)

In no line of business that I can think of where two people who have met for the first time are going to be offended by money counting.

 

[Babypowder]

This is not a courtroom so let's do away with the choice of words and spellings.

it has nothing to do with courtrooms. People are just trying to read and comprehend what you are typing. you blast mattRoxx claiming hes illiterate because you never stated if you counted the money all at once and he just wants to verify. but you can assume that we are treating sps like whores because we want to make sure that payment is in full???

this is a funny statement coming from you.

 

[lurker2011]

If you are certain that she was in the wrong why not write about it? How were the services? might just mean that guys who go to see her should be careful about the exchnage. And even in saying that is not all that bad because you should always be careful about money exchanges in any line of business.

Well, although technically this was a business transaction, I do not go in there and be ruthless about it. Those are times when I let my guard down and just expect the other person to be decent. After all, you would be exchanging body fluids..

The service was so and so. She was nice to talk to and made things comfortable. Scraped my dick with her teeth too I thought I was gonna bleed. I could write more info but it would be useless anyway cos I am not mentioning any names. I got a little bit annoyed when she said "Come see me again" or something similar to that. Yeah right.. Some SP's they don't that far off into the horizon. They think once they get the $250 they think that's it. They don't think of future monetary benefits when a client keeps coming back for more.

This is just a heads up to other Johns.

 

[frankcastle]

I think this girl might be in the minority most girls I see are all about customer service and the repeat customer.