Actually, the Memo was shown to the FBI and the DOJ, eventually. That's why Chris Wray shit canned McCabe. Plus, the sources tell us,now McCabe is under investigation. The reason why the FBI and the DOJ were not involved earlier is because THEY WERE BEING INVESTIGATED!! You guys have so much invested in this BS, you have lost grasp on reality. The near future will be cruel, indeed. And hilarious.
A Bombshell House Intelligence report exposing extensive FISA abuse.....
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The memo hasn't been shown to either the FBI or the DOJ.
If it would, it would be disputed and lose all value as partisan propaganda designed to attack the US justice system to protect Russian influence on the election.
The FBI Director Christopher Wray went to the Hill last week to examine the Memo and review it and examine the text for possible methods revelation. If you're going to make up shit, at least try to make it believable.
1) Wray viewing the 4 page memo is not an examination nor a review of the memo let alone the data. There are standard DOJ and Intel. policies and procedures in place for such reviews and Wray's viewing of the memo does not constitute an actual review.
You don't know what u r talking about again.
The "data" is in the FBI's possession. Where do you think the committee got it from? Seriously people! Seriously?!
You still are clueless.
The far fetched allegations in the Nunes memo, a memo that Nunes did not even write himself, a memo not written by Nunes but by his staff both of whom have not viewed the underlying data it purports to based upon have thus far have far only been viewed by Wray and have not been subject to DOJ and Intel. agency reviews.
There is a difference, a critical difference.
However, the 'data' that supported the extension of the FISA warrant was subject to intense multi-level scrutiny of it's sources and information by the FBI and Justice Dept. before it went to FISC judge who applied his own required by law scrutiny as to it's disposition.
So Trump through Nunes and the House Intel. cmmttee would like us to believe that the 'memo' which is based upon nothing but thin air is more valid than the multi-level corroborated sources and information, vetted through layers and layers of FBI, Intel agencies, DOJ officials and a FISC judge.
A memo written by Nunes staff who have not viewed the underlying data versus data corroborated, supported and not only vetted thru a multi-layered FBI, DOJ, Intel. agencies approach but also supported by a FISC judge.
The question of validity is obvious.
The question of whether Trump and his supporters in Congress have openly declared 'a war' against the DOJ, the FBI, the Inel. community and the Judiciary has been answered.
Actually the issue is the Fisa warrant may not have been properly vetted as you claim. And may have been based on flimsy and possibly false information.
That's what this is becoming about. Whether the warrant was properly issued.
No.
That is what 'he' and 'they' have been attempting propagandize.
Flimsy and false describes the memo which will not hold up to the light of day.
Since you don't know what's in the Memo, your post is just a fart propelled spitball . All your assertions are just WAGs and speculations.You don't know the level of scrutiny for the FISA warrants. You don't know what and how deep was reviewed by the DOJ. You don't even know why McCabe was pushed downstairs or why Ohr was demoted. All I see is a post by an individual with the Trump bias.
Facts matter:
1) We all know that the memo was NOT written by anyone who has viewed the underlying data.
2) We, if we are so willing to, are able to determine the level of scrutiny required by FISA legislation to obtain FISC judge FISA warrant. The information is there.
3) We all know that the Rep. led House Intel. cmmttee has refused to have the DOJ and thru it the FBI and the Intel. agencies to review the memo as it required to be reviewed through the long standing 'classified information/national security' protocols that have been in place for decades thru Rep. and Dem. administrations, except of course the current administration.
4) We all know that the Rep. led House Intel. cmmttee has refused to release a countering minority Dem. memo. Such majority and minority memos or reports have always been issued by committees throughout the decades thru Rep. and Dem, administrations, except of course the current administration.
Nee more?
Cripes your defending the Patriot Act here. One of the most intrusive pieces of legislation ever passed in a democracy.
We shall see when it's released. I'm betting on Friday. He will let the SOTU stew for a couple of days then give the press something for the weekend.
No doubt they will do some checking. Imagine if they find truth in IT?
Cripes you are defending a partisan crafted memo.
Doubles cripes as it is partisan crafted memo NOT written by anyone who has seen the underlying data it purports to represent.
Triple cripes as it is a partisan crafted memo that is NOT only written by anyone who has seen the underlying data it purports to represent, but also a memo that has NOT been subjected to the 'classified information' review protocols that have been in place throughout decades.
Quadruple cripes as it is a partisan crafted memo that is NOT only written by anyone who has seen the underlying data it purports to represent, also a memo that has NOT been subjected to the 'classified information' review protocols that have been in place throughout decades and also a memo that the Rep. led House Intel. cmmttee has refused to release a countering minority Dem. memo. Such majority and minority memos or reports have always been issued by committees throughout the decades thru Rep. and Dem, administrations, except of course the current administration.
Quintuple cripes as an unprecented war against the DOJ, the FBI, the Intel. community and the Judiciary has been declared by Trump and his surrogates.
Imagine when this memo is subjected to the light of day, the fallacy of it all and the intent behind it will be clear for all to see.
It blow up in Trump's and his surrogates faces.
I'm not Defending it....yet. it hasn't been released. I haven't seen it. So i can't argue it's veracity until I do.
You however seen to have made up your mind.
And the justice system should be strong enough to withstand some scrutiny. It appears there is some rot in it. Nothing wrong with not enabling it.
This is called civilian oversight. Congress is exercising part of its mandate in looking over their shoulders.
Or is the entire Republican party now in collusion as Well?
It is a partisan memo, as there is one that has also been prepared by the Democrats as well.
They should release both at the same time and with the approval of the DOJ.
So you are against the Democrat Memo being subjected to the same review, and release at the very same time as this Republican Memo? Where is the transparency??
When Paul Ryan was questioned about precisely the release of the two memos at the same time, he as usual in a biased manner dodged the question.
Watched the Hannity show last night and there was not a single mention to the Democratic Memo, by him or any of his guests including Sarah Carter the so called "respectable" journalist and the joke of a judge.
Wonder why??
Once the memo is released, the Democrats are free to attack it, short of revealing classified information. The GOP control congress. They have every right to release their analysis of information that has been made available to Congress, subject to declassification. The Democrats are whining as if they are 50/50 partners with the Republicans and everything requires their approval. That is not the case.
If the memo's analysis is so off base as the Democrats claim (most of whom resisted even reading it), they'll have to make that case.
The republicans have already voted to not allow the dem memo to be released.
So they would have to do it illegally.
But the FBI may chip in, since they've seen the memo. If information is false, they'd likely say something.
There are more warnings that Trump is thinking of firing Mueller now as well.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/371352-red-alert-warning-trump-may-fire-mueller-soon
What is your basis except > for misleading, partisan Republican conspiracy theories based upon cherry picked information irregardless of their context >, regarding rot? It appears you believe there is nothing wrong with enabling this misinformation.
Civilian oversight you say?
I am all for oversight, objective non-partisan oversight though and not this blatant and obvious attempt of one sided partisan Republican oversight to affect an outcome favorable to themselves and the Administration they are serving.
What u are applauding in not oversight at all.
Right.....because the dems don't have a political agenda......oh no......
In fact up to this point they along with the press have been controlling the Russia agenda and messaging. Now a year later it's becoming clear that collusion didn't happen.
Pretty much all hopes for removal are reliant on obstruction now. And that is looking flimsy.
The leaks from the WH are gone since Bannon Pruibus and Spicer are out. Notice the leaks now are all about old news?
The press is left to rehashing. I've been watching.
I said this before. Between 3(!) Investigations in Congress and Mueller the Reps in both houses have alot of info. I think enough the gop have judged collusion is not going to happen. Thats why they are doing this. Because the Dems will delay and ride this through the midterms.
It's time this ended soon.
His own DOJ and FBI have said that releasing it would be reckless. Cue Donny and his embarrassing flunkie Nunes. Trump is just to quote Tillerson a fucking moron. Nunes is a disgrace.
The FBI wanted to address the Committee in order to tell them why it should not be released. So of course the party that supports law and order and the FBI declined and instead voted to release it to the public.
