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oil&gas

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A RRIF portfolio that might just make some money

Gordon Pape's recent recommended RRIF investments could be of use to folks looking to
build a conservative $50k portfolio.


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Gordon Pape
Globe and Mail
Mar 06, 2013


RRIFs have to generate cash flow. The government insists that you take out a minimum amount of money each year so a plan has to be structured in such a way as to produce income.

But RRIFs (registered retirement income funds) must also be low-risk. Increasingly, Canadians are depending on them to provide a significant portion of their retirement income. These people cannot afford to sustain heavy losses in the later stages of their life.

Therein lies the problem. With interest rates so low, it's impossible to set up a low-risk RRIF that will produce enough income to meet Ottawa's minimum withdrawal requirements. A 71-year-old must take out 7.38 per cent of the plan's value as of Jan. 1. By 80, that rises to 8.75 per cent. An investor would have to take a considerable amount of risk to produce cash flow returns of that magnitude – a level that is inconsistent with the need to preserve capital.

Seniors' organizations have repeatedly asked the federal government to reduce the minimum withdrawal requirements to more realistic levels. Until now, such appeals have fallen on deaf ears.

So what should RRIF investors do? I suggest the best course is to balance the twin requirements of income and safety. Put a significant portion of the assets into low-risk securities in order to protect capital in the event of a stock market downturn. Invest the balance in medium-risk, higher yielding securities. There is no guarantee that this approach will generate a high enough total return to offset the minimum withdrawal requirement, but it should keep capital encroachment to a minimum.

Here are the components I suggested for a model RRIF Portfolio in my Income Investor newsletter. Prices are as of mid-February.

MAXA Financial three-year GIC

You've probably never heard of MAXA Financial. It's an on-line subsidiary of Manitoba's Westoba Credit Union and it offers some of the highest GIC rates in Canada. The reason I selected this one is that it pays interest annually as opposed to most GICs which pay only at maturity. It's also redeemable although there is a 12-month interest penalty if you cash in before maturity. The recent rate for a three-year term was 2.45 per cent and the minimum deposit is $500. Your money is guaranteed by the Deposit Guarantee Corporation of Manitoba however it should be noted that this is not a government agency and does not have the same resources as the Canada Deposit Investment Corporation. That's the price you pay for a higher yield. For more information go to www.maxafinancial.com. We will allocate 25 per cent of our portfolio to this GIC.

Phillips, Hager & North Total Return Bond Fund D units (PHN340)

This low-cost fund is one of the best ways to invest in a diversified bond portfolio with top-notch management. There's more risk here than in a GIC but the long-term return potential is much better as well. Bond markets are going to be under pressure for a while as interest rates creep higher but history has shown that the fixed-income team at PH&N can handle such situations better than most. Distributions are paid quarterly. The return for the year to Jan. 31 was 2.68 per cent. Recent NAV: $11.60. The minimum investment is $5,000. Weighting: 15 per cent.

CI Signature Dividend Fund (CIG610)

This fund offers a portfolio that includes a large holding of preferred shares (34 per cent as of Jan. 31) plus a mix of Canadian and foreign blue-chip dividend-paying stocks. It has better than average volatility (a measure of risk) and a good performance record. The one-year return to Jan. 31 was 10.85 per cent. Distributions are paid monthly at the rate of $0.04 per unit ($0.44 a year) which works out to a yield of 3.43 per cent based on the recent net asset value of $12.84. Minimum initial investment: $500. Weighting: 15 per cent.

CI Signature High Income Fund (CIG686)

We're moving higher on the risk scale with this one, but we're not getting silly. This is still a low volatility fund for its type. The portfolio is almost equally divided between bonds and stocks with about 10 per cent in cash and there is significant foreign exposure to add geographic diversification. Performance is above average for the category for all time frames from one to 15 years. The latest one-year total return was 12.04 per cent. Monthly distributions are $0.07 per unit ($0.84 a year) for a yield of 6.53 per cent based on a NAV of $14.40. Minimum initial investment: $500. Weighting: 15 per cent.

BCE Inc. (TSX, NYSE: BCE)

BCE recently announced a 2.6 per cent dividend increase, bringing it to $2.33 a year. That works out to a yield of 5.23 per cent based on the Feb. 15 closing price of $44.53. BCE is a solid blue-chip stock however it is not immune to a market pull-back. Weighting: 10 per cent.

Inter Pipeline LP (TSX: IPL.UN, OTC: IPPUF)

This limited partnership has been a great performer for over several years. The distribution has been increased four times since 2009 and is now $0.0925 a month ($1.11 annually) to yield 4.83 per cent based on a share price of $22.98. Weighting: 10 per cent.

Brookfield Infrastructure LP (TSX: BIP.UN, NYSE: BIP)

Here's another limited partnership that has been a tower of strength. It was first recommended in my newsletter in September 2010 at $18.90 and has since more than doubled in value to the recent price of $39.80. The distribution has been increased four times since then and at $0.43 (U.S.) quarterly is now 56 per cent higher than at the time of the original recommendation. Yield: 4.32 per cent. Weighting: 10 per cent.

Here is a summary of the portfolio using prices as of Feb. 15. Commissions are not taken into account and the U.S. and Canadian dollars are treated as being at par. Shares have been rounded up or down to the nearest five. The initial portfolio value is $49,910.30.


Security Weight/% Price Shares Yield/%

MAXA GIC 25 $12,500 125 2.45
PHN340 15 $11.60 645 3.28
CIG610 15 $12.84 585 3.43
CIG686 15 $14.40 520 6.53
BCE 10 $44.53 110 5.23
IPL.UN 10 $22.98 220 4.83
BIP.UN 10 $39.80 125 4.32
Totals 100 3.73

Overall, the portfolio should produce a cash flow yield of 3.73 per cent in the next 12 months. Obviously, that won't be enough to meet the RRIF minimum withdrawal requirement but hopefully the growth potential on the equity side of the portfolio will make up most or all of the difference. I'll review the portfolio again in six months to see how it is performing.
 

lakebear

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Health Care may bea good sector in the future...
Pipelines have potential due to the Keystone x pipeline project.
Get professional advice, it can help sometimes.
BUT: Stock brokers do not bat 1000% all the time!
 

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Interesting thread, an investment professional working at a bank will get you a return of about 3-5% depending on how good he/she is. If you have 50k don't ask an investment professional how to make millions out of that in a few years, they'll laugh at you. If investment professionals knew how to make millions on a 50k investment they wouldn't be working as an investment professional, they'd be retired and only investing their own money.

When I was in my early 20's I made my first ever investment on my own. I wanted to invest 5k in one stock that I researched and thought would do really well, my dad's stock broker advised against it and told me not to do it since I'd lose it all. I ended up making 30k on that stock, and that's when I realized not to listen to anyone but myself, it's not just that investment professionals don't care about your money as much as you do, it's also that they're just not good at generating a return for clients greater than 3-5%.
and how have you done since then? I once made a 25-1 longshot pay off at a horse track after some 'research', but would not suggest it as a long term strategy.
 

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Interesting thread, an investment professional working at a bank will get you a return of about 3-5% depending on how good he/she is. If you have 50k don't ask an investment professional how to make millions out of that in a few years, they'll laugh at you. If investment professionals knew how to make millions on a 50k investment they wouldn't be working as an investment professional, they'd be retired and only investing their own money.

When I was in my early 20's I made my first ever investment on my own. I wanted to invest 5k in one stock that I researched and thought would do really well, my dad's stock broker advised against it and told me not to do it since I'd lose it all. I ended up making 30k on that stock, and that's when I realized not to listen to anyone but myself, it's not just that investment professionals don't care about your money as much as you do, it's also that they're just not good at generating a return for clients greater than 3-5%.
If it's just a single stock, That's just luck dude. good for you made 30%, but luck is still luck.
You can't judge if your research method is good just by a single stock investment. when it comes to trading stocks, law of large number rules.
 

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Since no one else will stick their necks out with actual stocks: For the REAL high level risk takers AGH. For the quasi risk takers ZEN (recommended this one about six months ago when it was around 80 cents a share currently at 2.10. And for the conservative risk taker CSX NY exchange pays a small dividend of around 2.5%. cheers GB
 

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Quick question for the anti-mutual fund crowd, I'd like to know whether anyone has figured out how to convert the highly taxed interest income into dividend income, capital gains or return of capital like capital yield and corporate class mutual funds do and shouldn't that be a part of the equation?
 

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What he said...

This about the only responsible advice in this thread.
The OP would be best to do nothing rather than rush into some of the ideas presented thus far here

Commodities, leveraged ETFs, shorting .....?
Come on you guys, this is a novice investor here and you are directing him towards high risk investments.
That is a recipe for disaster

On Speed

1. Do not be in a hurry
2. The first investment should be an investment of time to learn about the markets. Go to the library or a book store and make sure you understand what you are putting your money into
3. Really successful long term investors place a lot of emphasis on controlling risk, and the reward will naturally follow. They also tend to quietly avoid boasting about their success
4. Have a long term view. What are the chances you are smarter than the market and can correct determine when to get in and out? What are the chances you can do this constantly?
5. Learn some more
6.Diversify your investments, difficult to do with $50K, but not impossible
6. Think about where you spend your money and ask your self "Is this a good company to invest in?"
7. Investigate the company. Easy to do with the internet
8. Learn some more
 
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I would also echo what JohnLarue said. Very sound advice. You really need to assess your tolerance to risk before you commit to anything. The greatest risk always yields the greatest return. THat is what I have found in my own experience anyways. I was very fortunate...but it could have easily went the other way.
 

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Day of reckoning arrives for world indices

G&M
Colin Cieszynski
May 23, 2013

Last night when I was writing my technical notes for Asia Pacific and Europe, red lights were flashing all over the map after stock markets staged a number of bearish key reversals yesterday suggesting that the QE-fuelled rally in stocks has become exhausted and a correction underway.

Stock markets rallying while commodities have been declining over the last several months confirmed that index gains have been driven by easy money following the path of least resistance into stocks over improving fundamentals. Generally speaking except for the U.S., economic fundamentals have been getting worse which has been reflected in falling commodities.

In the last two weeks, we had a bizarre situation where stocks have been climbing to new highs on speculation of QE continuing for some time or possibly increasing, while USD had been soaring on speculation that the Fed may begin slowing the pace of QE in future. While as the old saying goes, “markets may remain irrational longer than a trader may remain solvent”, this also brings to mind another old saying, “sooner or later, something has to give”.

Things finally started to give yesterday with all the bearish reversals indicating that currency markets had been reading the wind correctly. Markets initially took Fed Chairman Bernanke’s statement as dovish, sending stocks to new highs. As testimony progressed, sentiment made a quick U-turn as it became clear that tapering could come sooner than initially thought. The FOMC minutes further stoked tapering speculation as several members appeared open to slowing purchases as soon as the June meeting. Overall, the conclusion the Street took away from all of that is that the Fed could start slowing or adjusting the pace of QE3 purchases sometime this summer.

I have noted several times in the past that with three months of the Fed turning off the monetary taps at the end of QE1 and QE2, stock markets had fallen by more than 10 per cent both times. The bulk of the 2011 selloff actually occurred over about three weeks.

Last night the Nikkei took this to a whole new level closing down 7.3 per cent on the day and down nearly 10 per cent from yesterday’s peak near 16,000. The big Nikkei spike up toward 16,000 and brief passing of the Dow followed by a snap massive selloff reminds me of Silver’s big run at $50.00 and subsequent collapse.

In this case, China’s flash manufacturing PMI falling back under 50 appears to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. This has sent commodities into retreat again particularly in the energy sector. Australian and Chinese stock markets fell as well with the Hang Seng dropping 2.5 per cent. Interestingly, resource dollars (AUD, NZD and CAD) held steady indicating that their big selloffs over recent days had already priced in disappointing economic news and that they may be getting washed out.

Capital has been flowing back into defensive plays with JPY and CHF staging big rebounds and gold taking another run at $1,400. USD has been steadily retreating overnight with traders taking profits off of yesterday’s big gains.

Traders should note the increased volatility in CHF of late. It appears that as long as EURCHF stays away from the 1.2000 floor, the Swiss National Bank appears to be allowing the currency to float more freely which may create increased opportunities for traders going forward.

European stock markets are down pretty much across the board with the FTSE, CAC, DAX and MIB down between 1.8 per cent and 2.5 per cent. Downward momentum appears set to carry into U.S. trading with its markets coming off of key bearish reversals, generally overbought on RSI and overdue for a big correction. Canadian stocks may also be vulnerable but since they did not rise as high as their U.S. counterparts may not have as far to fall either.

Economic news
Significant economic announcements released overnight include:

China flash manufacturing PMI 49.6 vs. Street 50.4

U.S. jobless claims 340,000 vs. Street 345,000
U.S. flash PMI 51.9 vs. Street 51.4
U.S. house prices 1.3 per cent vs. Street 0.8 per cent
Brazil unemployment rate 5.8 per cent vs. Street 5.6 per cent

U.K. first-quarter GDP 0.6 per cent as expected
Italy retail sales (3.0 per cent) vs. previous (4.8 per cent)

France flash manufacturing PMI 45.5 vs. Street 44.7
France flash service PMI 44.3 vs. Street 44.5
Germany flash manufacturing PMI 49.0 vs. Street 48.5
Germany flash service PMI 49.8 vs. Street 50.0

Singapore first-quarter GDP 0.2 per cent vs. Street (0.6 per cent)
Singapore industrial production 4.7 per cent vs. Street 1.6 per cent
Singapore consumer prices 1.5 per cent vs. Street 3.0 per cent

Economic reports due later this morning include:

10:00 am EDT U.S. new home sales Street 425,000
10:30 am EDT U.S. natural gas storage Street 92 BCF vs. 99 BCF last week
 

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What is a good ROI?

I went into my bank last year and invested a paltry $10k into mutual funds. It has grown by 10% after one year.
 

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What is a good ROI?

I went into my bank last year and invested a paltry $10k into mutual funds. It has grown by 10% after one year.
Hello there,

That would really depend on your asset mix. To jump to a conclusion should show you the knowledge level of some posters, take all advice with a grain of salt. (Including mine)

Have a great Sunday

Goodguy
 

oil&gas

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If I have to sell a stock or an equity mutual fund I've hold for 1 to 3 years
I will call a 10% return rather miserable. Last time I took profit from selling
a stock fund the gain was 100%.

If my entire portfolio which comprises a mix of stocks, funds, bonds and cash
grow by 10% yearly that will be a gain I can only hope for. And I will be very
proud of myself if I manage to get that kind of gain consistently.

Picture someone at the age of 45 who has an amount of say $250k
set aside in a RRSP for his future retirement. With a yearly growth rate
of 10% he/she will retire a rich person at 65.
 
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