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4th Circuit appeals court refuses to reinstate Trump's travel ban

SuperCharge

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I believe you, the world is full of ignorant people.
When you have people needing colouring books and pacifiers, it's gone beyond ignorance. It's been 6 months,and the left is still crying, I think it's safe to say at this point a doctor is in order and some medication.
 

toguy5252

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This is it, right here Asterwald. The lower court needs to stay in their lanes, they know nothing about national security.
By their lane do you mean the law. That is what they are doing. in a country of laws none is above the law. Not even Trump although he does no appear to understand that. If he is right the SCOTUS will vindicate him.
 

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By their lane do you mean the law. That is what they are doing. in a country of laws none is above the law. Not even Trump although he does no appear to understand that. If he is right the SCOTUS will vindicate him.
Congress has duly given the President the authority to make decisions based on immigration and national security. These judges are nothing but political appointed hacks. How much do you want to bet the SCOTUS is going to view this much differently than the lower courts?
 

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Congress has duly given the President the authority to make decisions based on national security. These judges are nothing but political appointed hacks. How much do you want to bet the SCOTUS is going to view this much differently than the lower courts?
Why do you think that just repeating things makes them true or correct. the court found that he exceeded his jurisdiction. that is the function of the court. Trump has a right of appeal and no doubt he will. ultimately the SCOTUS will agree or not. the US is a country of laws. you and Trump should try and remember that.
 

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Congress has duly given the President the authority to make decisions based on immigration and national security. These judges are nothing but political appointed hacks. How much do you want to bet the SCOTUS is going to view this much differently than the lower courts?
Congress CANNOT give the President the authority to make an order based on religion.

That's the whole fucking point.
 

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Why do you think that just repeating things makes them true or correct. the court found that he exceeded his jurisdiction. that is the function of the court. Trump has a right of appeal and no doubt he will. ultimately the SCOTUS will agree or not. the US is a country of laws. you and Trump should try and remember that.
No that is not what the lower courts have found. They know he has the right to oversee immigration and national security as POTUS given to him by congress. This isn't about exceeding his jurisdiction at all, this is about religion.
 

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Congress CANNOT give the President the authority to make an order based on religion.

That's the whole fucking point.
He didn't ban all muslims so not it isn't about religion in the bigger picture, its about our national security based on information from the previous administration, but that's the only thing you guys have to hold onto. Foreigners are not protected under our 1A.
Each of the three dissenting Judges filed separate dissenting opinions and joined in each others’. Judge Paul Niemeyer, relying on precedent that holds that the foreign affairs context in which the executive order operates is the apex of executive power, chatised the majority for its refusal to limit its inquiry to the text of the order itself:
In looking behind the face of the government’s action for facts to show the alleged bad faith, rather than looking for bad faith on the face of the executive action itself, the majority grants itself the power to conduct an extratextual search for evidence suggesting bad faith, which is exactly what three Supreme Court opinions have prohibited.​

 

toguy5252

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No that is not what the lower courts have found. They know he has the right to oversee immigration and national security as POTUS given to him by congress. This isn't about exceeding his jurisdiction at all, this is about religion.
You really have no clue.
 

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He didn't ban all muslims so not it isn't about religion in the bigger picture, its about our national security based on information from the previous administration, but that's the only thing you guys have to hold onto. Foreigners are not protected under our 1A.

The court ruled that it WAS a Muslim ban. It doesn't need to ban all Muslims to be one, it just needs to target Muslims which it does.
 

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The court ruled that it WAS a Muslim ban. It doesn't need to ban all Muslims to be one, it just needs to target Muslims which it does.
That's an excuse that won't hold up in SCOTUS. As the travel ban was always a temporary measure, the government will likely have to petition the Supreme Court on an emergency basis to hear this case before July.
 

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That's an excuse that won't hold up in SCOTUS. As the travel ban was always a temporary measure, the government will likely have to petition the Supreme Court on an emergency basis to hear this case before July.
You calling Trump a liar? He said it was a Muslim ban. Right up until he realized the court would rule against that....
 
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