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onomatopoeia

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Agreed. However, do we know exactly what evidence was given? Was there any physical evidence? Something like having an injury afterward and seeing a doctor could corroborate the story.

"Danny Masterson was charged in 2020 with forcibly raping three women in separate incidents between 2001 and 2003".

"Masterson was first accused of sexual assault in 2017".

There likely wasn't much physical evidence, when there were 15-17 years between the acts and the accusations.

PS: One ought not to begin a sentence with the adverb 'however'. It should appear in your sentence between 'know' and 'exactly, preceded and followed by commas.
 

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"Danny Masterson was charged in 2020 with forcibly raping three women in separate incidents between 2001 and 2003".

"Masterson was first accused of sexual assault in 2017".

There likely wasn't much physical evidence, when there were 15-17 years between the acts and the accusations.

PS: One ought not to begin a sentence with the adverb 'however'. It should appear in your sentence between 'know' and 'exactly, preceded and followed by commas.
Can you start a sentence with however? | Topcontent
 

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What happened, Scientology threw Danny Masterson under a bus.

They are too busy fighting to retain their religion status, if they lose it the FBI will have a stronger case against them for human trafficking. Danny Masterson wasn't important enough for them to spend their money on...even though they robbed him blind.

 

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PS: One ought not to begin a sentence with the adverb 'however'. It should appear in your sentence between 'know' and 'exactly, preceded and followed by commas.

The Chicago Manual of Style (the standard among editors and writers) also says it is grammatical.

'However' is a conjunctive adverb and it is acceptable to begin a sentence or a paragraph with it.
 
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If he was in Canada he would be lucky to get 3 years.
US murderers sometimes flee to Canada to avoid the death penalty. Also, need I mention, a hobby haven compared to the US...
 

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The Chicago Manual of Style (the standard among editors and writers) also says it is grammatical.

'However' is a conjunctive adverb and it is acceptable to begin a sentence or a paragraph with it.
Grammar Police home study course?;)...
 

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Let him out...he's a great guy apparently..oh yeah, but we support the victims too
"He has always treated people with decency, equality, and generosity." ... with the small exception of the rape victims. If you believe in the justice system and you are not questioning the verdict - how could you write this ?

Thank God I have not had a life long friend convicted of a heinous crime. After questioning myself - 'how could I not know ?' What would I do if asked to give a character reference for sentencing ? I wondered if Guy Paul Morin was a friend, would I have stood by him until he was proved innocent decades later ? I hope I never have to face this test with any of my friends or family.
 

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The Chicago Manual of Style (the standard among editors and writers) also says it is grammatical.

'However' is a conjunctive adverb and it is acceptable to begin a sentence or a paragraph with it.
I believe that the first word in a properly constructed sentence should never be immediately followed by a comma, unless the word is a noun.

'However' is correct to start a sentence when it refers to an an ambiguity, ("However long it takes for paint to dry is a passion for obsessive compulsives"), but not when it could be replaced with 'notwithstanding'. It's a sequential matter; the verb should not be modified before it appears.
 

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I believe that the first word in a properly constructed sentence should never be immediately followed by a comma, unless the word is a noun.
Unfortunately, many would disagree with you. 'However,' is often used in essays and articles as a sentence starter. It's similar to 'In contrast,'.

Nevertheless, I like you and enjoy your posts. 🙂 Therefore, I won't argue anymore.
 
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I don't know all the details of this case, but the impression I get is that the jury voted to convict mainly because they believed the testimony of the alleged victims. I don't know how much physical evidence there was.

While I am not suggesting that Masterson was falsely accused, the idea that a jury of twelve randomly chosen tax payers who don't necessarily know anything about the law might render a guilty verdict based on an empathetic emotional response should be disturbing to all of us. Emotion has no place in the criminal justice system;all decisions should be made based on proven facts and evidence. It's not as if everything that some people believe is true. Beliefs are not evidence. It's a dangerous sign for the future when this sort of thing can happen, and people are generally okay with it.

Usually we see that sort of thing in fascist dictatorships, where the guy in charge wants a political rival to be neutralized, or with Black men in the deep South.
HE CHOSE NOT TO TESTIFY.
And of course they fucking convicted.
It has happened like that and it will happen like that. A jury system is the best we have.
He must have been hoping that there would be a juror who would not convict without hard evidence. Turned out it was not a good idea. He fucked up. And yes there will be a hell to pay but law abiding citizens should not be disturbed by it in the slightest.
There is no reasonable alternative. Maybe you want to live in a world where it’s okay to commit a crime as long as there is no hard evidence left behind. But that’s not how our society operates.
 

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HE CHOSE NOT TO TESTIFY.
And of course they fucking convicted.
It has happened like that and it will happen like that. A jury system is the best we have.
He must have been hoping that there would be a juror who would not convict without hard evidence. Turned out it was not a good idea. He fucked up. And yes there will be a hell to pay but law abiding citizens should not be disturbed by it in the slightest.
There is no reasonable alternative. Maybe you want to live in a world where it’s okay to commit a crime as long as there is no hard evidence left behind. But that’s not how our society operates.
The structure of the criminal justice system is not designed to convict offenders. Its purpose is to ensure that those who are not guilty are not convicted.

Most defendants in felony assault trials do not testify. Anything they say can and will be used against them. There is no onus on the accused to prove that they are not guilty; the burden of proof lies solely with the prosecution. That's how it's supposed to work.

We can't expect the police or the prosecution to be impartial, and only be concerned with Justice being served. They have personal incentives to win cases that often supersede due process. The trial Judge should ALWAYS have no vested interest in the outcome.

I always have some skepticism when allegations of some sort of inappropriate behaviour surface years after the fact, and invariably additional alleged victims suddenly decide to come forward, after also being silent for years.

I'm not suggesting that the accusations are false, but the question which is begged is 'did they attempt to receive hush money, and the offer was refused?'.

I don't know what 'hard evidence' was presented at the trial. If the conviction was primarily or exclusively based on the jury's belief that the alleged victims' testimony was sincere, I don't think that's enough to incarcerate someone for the rest of their life, regardless of the charges.
 
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Most defendants in felony assault trials do not testify. Anything they say can and will be used against them. There is no onus on the accused to prove that they are not guilty; the burden of proof lies solely with the prosecution. That's how it's supposed to work.
There is no obligation to testify, obviously, but there sure as hell is a strong tactical pressure to do so.

A defendant who does not testify in a he said-she said assault trial is an idiot, save and except when the complainants version is fraught with inconsistencies and problems like in ghomeshi trial.

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here is what a quick search shows:
There is an important difference between a burden of proof with regard to an offence or an evidentiary burden, and the tactical need to respond when the Crown establishes a prima facie case, in order to raise a reasonable doubt about it. “[T]he criminal law does not allocate an evidential burden to the accused torefute the Crown’s case and he or she may decline toadduce any evidence. Nevertheless, if the accused decides not to call any evidence, he or she runs the risk of being convicted” (Sopinka, Lederman and Bryant, supra, at para. 3.17). Where there is neither a legal obligation nor an evidentiary burden on the accused, the mere tactical pressure on the accused to participate in the trial does not offend the principle against self-incrimination
 
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@Leimonis: Canadian law has no 'fifth amendment', whereby an accused may refuse to answer questions in court which might result in self incrimination.

Rather than have the defendant testify, the most common tactics are to have the defence counsel attempt to discredit or create reasonable doubt in cross examination of prosecution witnesses, to determine if prosecution evidence was properly obtained, or whether the evidence is conclusive.

Whether or not a defendant should testify depends on the extent of physical evidence and undisputed facts in evidence. In the Masterson case, it appears to me that the prosecution case was based primarily on the testimony of the alleged victims, which the jury considered to be reliable. In the absence of corroborating physical evidence, of which I am unaware, it is my opinion that their testimonies, in and of themselves, should be insufficient for a guilty verdict.

In some cases, a defence attorney will defend a client whom they know to be guilty, either to try to obtain an acquittal based on procedural errors, or to ensure that the accused does not receive improper counsel, which could result in a retrial on create grounds for appeal.

In the OJ Simpson case, Johnnie Cochrane knew that Simpson had arthritis in his hands, which caused swelling if he did not take prescription medicine. Cochrane told Simpson to not take his meds prior to the day in court when the evidence glove was found to be too small for Simpson's hand.
 

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.... the prosecution case was based primarily on the testimony of the alleged victims, which the jury considered to be reliable. In the absence of corroborating physical evidence, of which I am unaware, it is my opinion that their testimonies, in and of themselves, should be insufficient for a guilty verdict.
name a civilized country where the law operates in such way
 
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@Leimonis: Canadian law has no 'fifth amendment', whereby an accused may refuse to answer questions in court which might result in self incrimination.

Rather than have the defendant testify, the most common tactics are to have the defence counsel attempt to discredit or create reasonable doubt in cross examination of prosecution witnesses, to determine if prosecution evidence was properly obtained, or whether the evidence is conclusive.

Whether or not a defendant should testify depends on the extent of physical evidence and undisputed facts in evidence. In the Masterson case, it appears to me that the prosecution case was based primarily on the testimony of the alleged victims, which the jury considered to be reliable. In the absence of corroborating physical evidence, of which I am unaware, it is my opinion that their testimonies, in and of themselves, should be insufficient for a guilty verdict.

In some cases, a defence attorney will defend a client whom they know to be guilty, either to try to obtain an acquittal based on procedural errors, or to ensure that the accused does not receive improper counsel, which could result in a retrial on create grounds for appeal.

In the OJ Simpson case, Johnnie Cochrane knew that Simpson had arthritis in his hands, which caused swelling if he did not take prescription medicine. Cochrane told Simpson to not take his meds prior to the day in court when the evidence glove was found to be too small for Simpson's hand.
In the OJ Simpson case, Johnnie Cochrane knew that Simpson had arthritis in his hands, which caused swelling if he did not take prescription medicine. Cochrane told Simpson to not take his meds prior to the day in court when the evidence glove was found to be too small for Simpson's hand.


When leather gets wet it shrinks.
Gloves soaked in blood have a tendency to shrink......who knew? o_O
 

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Wow! 30 years... Seems insane. I didn't follow his second trial after the first trial was thrown out... I honestly didn't think there would be enough evidence after nearly two decades to prove he committed rape.

He always seemed like a dick, but young women also seem to like that behavior (just two observations).

It'll always stick with me when my ex-GF from high school told me years later about her first bad-boy relationship after me... She admitted that he treated her poorly, would come over drunk/high and fuck her rough like she was a thing and she would just accept it over and over. She was with him for 6-8 months? How does that happen?

(PS - Now decades later I saw her last year with her kids & family. She married a good guy who also went to our high school)
 

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I don't know all the details of this case, but the impression I get is that the jury voted to convict mainly because they believed the testimony of the alleged victims. I don't know how much physical evidence there was.
I've done a few Google searches and the results appear to support your impression that no physical evidence was presented. The jury believed the testimony of two accusers.

The first accuser said he drugged and raped her in 2003, then she filed a police report in 2004. The jury believed her testimony and convicted.

The second accuser was his ex-girlfriend who went to police 15 years after she said he raped her. The jury was deadlocked on this.

The third accuser said she was drugged and raped in 2003, and she filed a police report in 2017. The jury believed her testimony and convicted.

 
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