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K Douglas

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Its painful to watch the Leafs play right now. No doubt you can see how much they are missing 16's creativity. On the bright side Tavares is putting up some stellar numbers as are Willy and Knies. But damn our offensive and defensive depth players have been horrible. Roy has 4 points and 16 shots in 18 games and is a minus 4. Dakota Joshua has 5 points and 16 shots in 18 games and is a minus 7 rating. Domi is a team worst minus 9. Lorentz has been a huge disappointment to me since he became a Leaf. I know he's a much better player than what he's shown. And finally Matthews, our captain, has a pedestrian 14 points in 17 games but he is a plus 9, putting up almost 4 shots on goal per game and has 31 blocked shots so far. However, it's apparent to me that he lacks intangibles and leadership qualities failing to make players around him better.
We are almost 1/4 of the way through the season. At the 25 game mark we need to make a hard decision on which direction we head.
 
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I really hope the Leafs don't make the playoffs. It's a joke how many first round draft picks, that the Leafs have traded away over the yrs. A lot of the Leafs new players are awful, including Joshua, Roy, and Maccelli. Laughton, Stolarz and Matthews keep getting injured, as well as Chris Tanev. The Leafs are going to suffer a long season of futility.
I agree, but I think there's more to it.

If you watched that game 7 against Boston in 2013 when they blew the 4 - 1 lead and lost, the players got all the blame.
The reality is that the Leafs totally dominated that game in the first two periods with ferocious forechecking.
Boston was a great breakout team from the defensive zone, they couldn't make two passes if their lives depended on it.
From the start of the 3rd period they completely retreated into a defensive shell, some Berube Flintstone strategy.
That's not a decision the players make on their own.
Boston would start deep in their own end with speed and great passing because the Leafs kept their centreman between Bruin's blueline and centre line,
two wingers between centre line and their own blueline, and two D on their blueline. Leafs got absolutely swarmed and peppered with shots.
Sound familiar?
The Leaf players didn't lose that game, Reimer didn't blow anything, as a matter of fact Reimer was spectacular in those playoffs the way Stolarz was last year.
Randy Carlyle blew that game and made the players look bad, I've hated him since.
Berube is the new Carlyle, he has to go.
 
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I agree, but I think there's more to it.

If you watched that game 7 against Boston in 2013 when they blew the 4 - 1 lead and lost, the players got all the blame.
The reality is that the Leafs totally dominated that game in the first two periods with ferocious forechecking.
Boston was a great breakout team from the defensive zone, they couldn't make two passes if their lives depended on it.
From the start of the 3rd period they completely retreated into a defensive shell, some Berube Flintstone strategy.
That's not a decision the players make on their own.
Boston would start deep in their own end with speed and great passing because the Leafs kept their centreman between Bruin's blueline and centre line,
two wingers between centre line and their own blueline, and two D on their blueline. Leafs got absolutely swarmed and peppered with shots.
Sound familiar?
The Leaf players didn't lose that game, Reimer didn't blow anything, as a matter of fact Reimer was spectacular in those playoffs the way Stolarz was last year.
Randy Carlyle blew that game and made the players look bad, I've hated him since.
Berube is the new Carlyle, he has to go.
Berube is the Leafs' best chance to get Gavin McKenna.
 
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superstar_88

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Berube is the Leafs' best chance to get Gavin McKenna.
There are about 4 teams in the West way worse than the Leafs and there's also Buffalo in the East.
That puts them 6th worse but I suppose they can still get there with some tweaking. It's a long season.
They can do what Boston did and do a 1 year retool. Treliving is not known for being able to fleece other teams in trades though. Minton looks better than Roy but he's young and raw and Roy is seasoned so that's the stage Leafs are at.
 

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There are about 4 teams in the West way worse than the Leafs and there's also Buffalo in the East.
That puts them 6th worse but I suppose they can still get there with some tweaking. It's a long season.
They can do what Boston did and do a 1 year retool. Treliving is not known for being able to fleece other teams in trades though.
The Leafs are 3 losses away and the Flames 3 wins away. It's not hard to tank.
 

superstar_88

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The Leafs are 3 losses away and the Flames 3 wins away. It's not hard to tank.
You're assuming Flames aren't capable of losing 3 games as well to match the Leafs.
It's not hard for Flames to tank also. Flames are -18 goal differential. Leafs are only -4
Flames have 5 wins in 19 games. It's not that easy for Flames to win 3 games.

The Oilers are -9 goal differential with 8 wins and 11 losses but they're 3rd in their Division.
That's worse than the Leafs 8 wins 10 losses.

Goal differential:
Montreal -1
Ottawa 0
Boston 1
Detroit -2
Florida -2
TB 1
Toronto -4
4 pts separates all these teams.
The divide ain't as wide as you think.
Stolarz let in 4 soft goals himself in the last 2 games he didn't finish.
 
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tombrady12

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Even if the Leafs finish out of the bottom 5, they still have a chance at McKenna. The draft pick is based on where they end up in the lottery.
 
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You're assuming Flames aren't capable of losing 3 games as well to match the Leafs.
It's not hard for Flames to tank also. Flames are -18 goal differential. Leafs are only -4
Flames have 5 wins in 19 games. It's not that easy for Flames to win 3 games.

The Oilers are -9 goal differential with 8 wins and 11 losses but they're 3rd in their Division.
That's worse than the Leafs 8 wins 10 losses.

Goal differential:
Montreal -1
Ottawa 0
Boston 1
Detroit -2
Florida -2
TB 1
Toronto -4
4 pts separates all these teams.
The divide ain't as wide as you think.
Stolarz let in 4 soft goals himself in the last 2 games he didn't finish.
Goal differential is irrelevant when it comes down to a tiebreaker. It's regulation wins, Leafs have 6, Flames have 4.
 

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Or be good enough to finish 1 pt out of a playoff spot. That pick goes to Boston.
Point is as long as they don't make the playoffs they may have a chance to end up in the top five in the lottery and keep the pick
 
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superstar_88

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Goal differential is irrelevant when it comes down to a tiebreaker. It's regulation wins, Leafs have 6, Flames have 4.
Goal differential is not irrelevant. You need to score more goals or give up less than the opposition to win games which in effect is goal differential. 4 less soft goals by Stolarz could have easily given them 1 more win.
Their record with 4 less goals against and 1 more win would be 9 wins 9 losses 0 goals differential.
Last game goal differential LA +1 Toronto -1 and guess what LA won Leafs lost.

The outlook or forecast for where the Leafs would be this season is that they'd be fighting for a wild card spot. That's precisely where they are and the team they have. In effect they are still core 4 forwards with a supporting cast. The supporting cast goalies and defense has regressed.

Leafs won 2 games and lost 1 with Primeau who was terrible.
 
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Or be good enough to finish 1 pt out of a playoff spot. That pick goes to Boston.
Worse than that would be winning the lottery and moving up 10 spots to 6.
 

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Can somebody here tell me what I am missing.

From what I undertand, the Leafs 2026 first round pick (held by Boston) is top 5 protected, and then becomes unprotected in 2027 if not conveyed in 2026.

However, the Leafs traded their 2027 first round pick to the Flyers for Scott Laughton. And the Laughton trade was done the day before the Carlo trade. So how can the 2026 draft pick owing to Boston be deferred to 2027, if that 2027 draft pick is already being held by Philly.

I'm obviously missing some detail about the 2027 pick they traded. Or does the 2026 draft pick defer to 2028?
 

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Can somebody here tell me what I am missing.

From what I undertand, the Leafs 2026 first round pick (held by Boston) is top 5 protected, and then becomes unprotected in 2027 if not conveyed in 2026.

However, the Leafs traded their 2027 first round pick to the Flyers for Scott Laughton. And the Laughton trade was done the day before the Carlo trade. So how can the 2026 draft pick owing to Boston be deferred to 2027, if that 2027 draft pick is already being held by Philly.

I'm obviously missing some detail about the 2027 pick they traded. Or does the 2026 draft pick defer to 2028?
The Leafs defer their 2028 and 2029 picks if that comes to it, but not likely to happen because they won't play shit enough, only shit enough to just miss the playoffs.
 
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