2019 could be the hottest year in human history
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You are an idiot.. Stop making up shit !! I calling your bluff proof any article I posted says the ice age started 4 year age? HOw Manhatten prediction... It was supposed be under water!!
All those article I posted show trend a proof of fraud!!
No comeback on post # 12 currently published on peer reviewed article in October 18, 2018 on fraudent data used by NOAA on HADCRUT4 for on your global warming bullshit! Audit by independent 3rd party Auditor.
PPS By way cooling trend for the mini-ice prediction should be starting aproximately 2020 and by 2030 will be into the mini-ice like the Maudender mininium. That was the prediction! So the prediction haven't proof wrong yet !
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...t-accuses-nasa-massive-alteration-temperatureIt is undeniable that if these studies he is bombarding us with were SO conclusive that there would be thousands and thousands of reputable scientists who's opinions would have been altered from believing in a temperature increasing climate change to agree with his theory. That is what happens. Scientists believe in facts that are verifiable and repeatable. I've asked about a half dozen times to provide a list of scientists who have made this conversion. He hasn't even shown us a list of 10 scientists who have gone on record as admitting that they and the other 90,000 scientists were wrong. Instead all we get is more of this drivel which you now point out is 5 years old, yet in that time all we keep seeing is record hot years almost every year. We see time lapse photos of the polar ice caps shrinking (including Tim Hortons ice caps). We see global representations showing at least half of the world is overheating and only 2% outside of the polar caps that are cold zones.
Guaranteed that he is posting studies of scientists that are getting paid by big oil/coal to find results that protect their huge profit businesses, exactly the same way that history has shown us the tobacco companies did that supposedly showed the minimal harmful effects of cigarettes. It is an obvious strategy. These multi-national companies have billions and billions of dollars to protect. Even the scientists in the global warming denying trump administration, produce studies confirming the warming and its' dire consequences as recently as a month ago. trump is trying to bring back jobs in the coal industry and would much prefer seeing studies debunking warming, but his own people can't do it.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=...aw2O9BjdObQDmE-Va2MueSWW&ust=1544609314401002
German Scientist Accused NASA of ‘Massive’ Temperature Alterations
By Barbara Hollingsworth | November 30, 2015 | 4:18 PM EST
(CNSNews.com) – A German scientist has accused the National Aeronautics and Space Agency’s (NASA) Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) of altering temperature records between 2010 and 2012 to produce the illusion that the Earth has been warming since 1950.
GISS datasets are used by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to document global warming.
In a presentation at the 2012 EIKE Climate Conference in Germany, Professor Friedrich-Karl Ewert, a retired geologist and data expert from the University of Paderborn, said that he examined publicly available archived temperature records from 1,153 weather stations around the globe going back to 1881 and found evidence of “massive” tampering by GISS between 2010 and 2012.
Ewert noticed that “the temperature data of Reykjavik [Iceland] and Nuuk Nuur [Greenland] had been changed retroactively,” veteran German television journalist Gunter Ederer writes. The 2012 data was higher than the temperatures recorded before 2010.
http://www.carlineconomics.com/archives/2851
Climate Alarmism: Probably the Greatest Hoax/Scam in World History
Alan Carlin | August 19, 2016
Climate alarmism is probably the greatest hoax/scam in world history. The main evidence for catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW), the principal alleged adverse effect of human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), is climate models built by CAGW supporters in a field where models with real predictive power do not exist and cannot be built with any demonstrable accuracy beyond a week or two because climate and weather are coupled non-linear chaotic systems. Without the models, the whole hoax/scam collapses. Even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has stated (see Section 14.2.2.2 of the 2001 IPCC Report):
In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.
Climate Modelers Knew or Should Have Known the Inherent Limitations of Climate Models
The hoax/scam appears to rest on the authors’ assumption that most people will not realize these inherent limitations of global climate models. Since the model authors all work in the field, they either knew this or should have known these limitations (unless they delude themselves, of course). The authors of the models have a self-interest in supporting CAGW since government grants almost always go only to supporters. This self-interest is what makes the hoax into a scam. If true climate believers understood that longer term projections cannot be made on the basis of these models, they would hopefully dismiss the whole hoax/scam for what it is.
Climate Alarmism Is Basically an Attempt to Scare People with Hypothetical Climate Outcomes Based on Models
Climate alarmism is nothing more than an attempt to scare people with unrealistic hypothetical climate outcomes based on computer models with no predictive power. The far left is trying to use this alleged threat to justify Federal Government intervention in the fuel and energy markets. Others, such as mainstream media, use it to sell their products.
The current proposition offered by climate alarmists is that if people who live in the more wealthy countries cut back their use of fossil fuels and therefore their human-caused CO2 emissions that the world can avoid the alleged catastrophic increases in temperatures based on the climate models. Even the proponents’ climate models do not show that the alleged effects could be avoided even if all the developed countries should somehow made substantial cuts in CO2 emissions. So the problems include the following:
Reductions by the developed nations will not have any measurable effect on either atmospheric CO2 or temperatures.
The less developed nations (where fossil fuel use is expanding much more rapidly) have not agreed to make such reductions.
Any nation that adopts such reductions will make its exports more expensive by raising the price of fossil fuels used to make the exports.
There is little or no evidence that decreasing CO2 emissions will do anything except raise prices for fossil fuels. Global temperatures appear to be the primary determinant of global CO2 levels, not vice versa.
CAGW Is a Failed Hypothesis since It Does Not Satisfy the Scientific Method
The CAGW hypothesis is a failed hypothesis since it does not satisfy the requirements of the scientific method, nothing more. Models showing that catastrophic temperature increases will or are even likely to occur as carbon dioxide levels may increase have no predictive value. Minor increases would be good anyway, not bad.
Various supporters of the hoax/scam have a variety of reasons for supporting it. Some left wing Democrats, for example, like it because if cap and trade should be used to implement the CO2 control program at the US level, the Federal Government would have increased income to use for increased public spending that they favor.
'97% Of Climate Scientists Agree' Is 100% Wrong
Jan 6, 2015,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexep...e-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#52376bee3f9f
If you've ever expressed the least bit of skepticism about environmentalist calls for making the vast majority of fossil fuel use illegal, you've probably heard the smug response: “97% of climate scientists agree with climate change” — which always carries the implication: Who are you to challenge them?
The answer is: you are a thinking, independent individual--and you don’t go by polls, let alone second-hand accounts of polls; you go by facts, logic and explanation.
Here are two questions to ask anyone who pulls the 97% trick.
1. What exactly do the climate scientists agree on?
Usually, the person will have a very vague answer like "climate change is real."
Which raises the question: What is that supposed to mean? That climate changes? That we have some impact? That we have a large impact? That we have a catastrophically large impact? That we have such a catastrophic impact that we shouldn't use fossil fuels?
What you'll find is that people don't want to define what 97% agree on--because there is nothing remotely in the literature saying 97% agree we should ban most fossil fuel use.
It’s likely that 97% of people making the 97% claim have absolutely no idea where that number comes from.
If you look at the literature, the specific meaning of the 97% claim is: 97 percent of climate scientists agree that there is a global warming trend and that human beings are the main cause--that is, that we are over 50% responsible. The warming is a whopping 0.8 degrees over the past 150 years, a warming that has tapered off to essentially nothing in the last decade and a half.
PS Calling your bluff prove any of my article I posted is paid by oil industry!
PPS whereas you don't see any of your Gov't scientists have a conflict of interest paid by Gov't to help push the Gov't agenda on global warming where their salary / research depend on billions of Gov't grants!
If these studies are so conclusive where are all the scientists that changed their minds?
This is all the scientist that disagree with the global warming aka man made climate bullshit! They think it is fraud!!
http://www.petitionproject.org/
https://newspunch.com/top-scientist-resigns-admitting-global-warming-is-a-big-scam/
Top Scientist Resigns Admitting Global Warming Is A Big Scam
September 29, 2015 Sean Adl-Tabatabai Sci/Environment 980
Global warming scientist resigns after admitting global warming is a big scam
Top US scientist Hal Lewis resigned from his post at the University of California after admitting that global warming was a big scam, in a shocking resignation letter.
From the Telegraph
The following is a letter to the American Physical Society released to the public by Professor Emeritus of physics Hal Lewis of the University of California at Santa Barbara
Sent: Friday, 08 October 2010 17:19 Hal Lewis
From: Hal Lewis, University of California, Santa Barbara
To: Curtis G. Callan, Jr., Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society
6 October 2010
Dear Curt:
When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago).
Indeed, the choice of physics as a profession was then a guarantor of a life of poverty and abstinence – it was World War II that changed all that. The prospect of worldly gain drove few physicists. As recently as thirty-five years ago, when I chaired the first APS study of a contentious social/scientific issue, The Reactor Safety Study, though there were zealots aplenty on the outside there was no hint of inordinate pressure on us as physicists. We were therefore able to produce what I believe was and is an honest appraisal of the situation at that time. We were further enabled by the presence of an oversight committee consisting of Pief Panofsky, Vicki Weisskopf, and Hans Bethe, all towering physicists beyond reproach. I was proud of what we did in a charged atmosphere. In the end the oversight committee, in its report to the APS President, noted the complete independence in which we did the job, and predicted that the report would be attacked from both sides. What greater tribute could there be?
How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d’être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.
It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.
So what has the APS, as an organization, done in the face of this challenge? It has accepted the corruption as the norm, and gone along with it…
I do feel the need to add one note, and this is conjecture, since it is always risky to discuss other people’s motives. This scheming at APS HQ is so bizarre that there cannot be a simple explanation for it. Some have held that the physicists of today are not as smart as they used to be, but I don’t think that is an issue. I think it is the money, exactly what Eisenhower warned about a half-century ago. There are indeed trillions of dollars involved, to say nothing of the fame and glory (and frequent trips to exotic islands) that go with being a member of the club.
1000+ International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
http://www.cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
Because they are probably being paid by big oil/coal, just like the tactics that big tobacco did.
But in all honesty this is a serious and very valid/legitimate question. Scientists believe in facts. When it was proved that the earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa, scientists of their time changed their opinions. The same when it was proved that the earth is not flat. I contend that the same should apply here. The tens of thousands of scientists who espoused a global warming trend, should have been influenced by what you claim is irrefutable evidence. As such, should there not be a verrry long list of scientist who have admitted that they were wrong about global warming? If you can produce such a list, that would go a long way to lending credence to the theory you now want us to believe.
IMO, you'd be better off just admitting that you can't provide such a list rather than giving some bullshit or non-relevant answer. Either there is such a list or there isn't. If the theory is valid, there is zero explanations for why there would not be such a list, other than this theory is not valid. I am asking a serious and respectfully worded question. Please respond in kind with a serious response.
LOL.... and you do know India is probably the worlds BIGGEST polluter as well?
We are a first world country that usually puts trash in its place and have many "scientists" and I use that word loosely, that "teach" us to not pollute and put trash in its place and to conserve. Why are first world countries targeted by carbon tax only and pay into the Paris Climate Accord???
What is India, China, Brazil, Indonesia etc. doing for their part????? Their pollution doesnt spread throughout the globe, right?
There is absolutely NO WAY to determine that climate change is man made. Stop drinking the kool-aid.
Lets put this climate shit to rest.
Money makes the world revolve. The rich need to get richer.
Since the Rockefeller Family sold their oil interests and bought into the new wave of climate and green energy, the Carbon TAX is the next best way to keep making money off the masses just like they did with gasoline.
A simple search of this confirms what im saying.
When you figure out what the Rockefeller family is all about and what they have their hands in, you too will realize how fucking duped you are!
How the fuck does science tell us how many tons of carbon are being spewed??? I have a business that involves carbon emissions. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DEVICE AT MY BUSINESS FOR A SCIENTIST TO GET DATA FROM!!!! And yet, we buy into this bullshit!
If you believe in global warming then you should also agree the hiked up gas prices on long weekends have nothing to do with it being a long weekend. Now are your eyes open???
Money makes the world revolve. The rich need to get richer.
Since the Rockefeller Family sold their oil interests and bought into the new wave of climate and green energy, the Carbon TAX is the next best way to keep making money off the masses just like they did with gasoline.
A simple search of this confirms what im saying.
When you figure out what the Rockefeller family is all about and what they have their hands in, you too will realize how fucking duped you are!
How the fuck does science tell us how many tons of carbon are being spewed??? I have a business that involves carbon emissions. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DEVICE AT MY BUSINESS FOR A SCIENTIST TO GET DATA FROM!!!! And yet, we buy into this bullshit!
If you believe in global warming then you should also agree the hiked up gas prices on long weekends have nothing to do with it being a long weekend. Now are your eyes open???
And that proves that the planet is not heating up?
As well, if you don't believe that man has any effect, why are you talking about pollution? According to your opinion, every country in the world could pollute as much as India and it wouldn't make a difference. The earth is going to do what the earth is going to do. As such this comment is nonsensical and meaningless (kind of like your opinion).
Open your eyes.
Conspiracy theory much?
How did the Rockefeller's convince every single legit scientist who studies the matter to 'fake' climate change studies, according to your theory?
How did they manage that in every single country in the world with every single type of government around?
How did the manage to get Exxon's own scientists to prove that climate change is real and a result of their own products?
Please explain how your conspiracy theory works, it sounds very exciting.
Hahahaha....conspiracy much he says??? LMAO!!
https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/why-the-rockefellers-are-battling-exxonmobil-over-climate-change
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/science/exxon-mobil-rockefellers-climate-change.html
https://www.rbf.org/75/climate-change
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech...es-rockefeller-dynasty-s-role-in-climate-scam
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/...llion-commitment-to-climate-change-resilience
Here are your paid off scientists: NEVER bite the hand that feeds you:
https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/our-work/grants/
https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/2015-grantees/
Fuck, why dont you do the fact checking instead of crying conspiracy theory every time something doesnt suit your belief?
I dont know how many of these links will work here but its easy to find the Rockefeller family alone controls most of the world. Trump is trying to fix that problem.
Oh look, a grant to the UN???? WHAT???? Guess who is part of the Global Warming Conspiracy???
GRANT
United Nations Environment Programme: 11/01/2015 - 06/30/2017 for use by its Division of Technology, Industry and Economics in support of creating a background paper on “Urban Ecology and Resilience” for the Habitat III global convening to be held in Quito, Ecuador, October 2016 …
Still think its a conspiracy????
Whats your proof? This should be good.........LOL
For those who claim that the studies proving global warming are funded by parties with a financial interest to do so, but refuse to believe that big oil would do something similar to refute global warming, here is an example that big oil will play dirty tricks to further their interests:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
This does not prove that they funded studies denying global warming, but it shows they would have no problem doing so if they wanted.
My post indicates that it is not unreasonable to believe that big oil funded fake studies, that you and jc believe. Big oil did it in the above study and big tobacco did it with their studies showing that smoking was not bad for you. That is more likely than a global conspiracy involving tens of thousands of reputable scientists and government sanctioned studies that clearly prove that the earth is heating up. Images of the ice caps shrinking/melting, polar bears having to move further south heat maps of the globe showing huge areas of increased temperatures. Those alone debunk the warming deniers' claims of a conspiracy.
I have asked jc numerous times to show me scientists who have changed their minds from believing in warming to now realising and admitting that they were wrong. He ducks and dodges and now just ignores my requests.
I ask again, not that I expect a rational direct answer, but I enjoy exposing him:
Just like you didn't answer my post 33. When you can't beat logic and reasoning you either respond with bombast and insult or just don't respond at all. If man has no influence on climate, why did you need to mention that India is a big polluter? You were trying to say, why should we do anything because India is still going to pollute. That implies that if India reduced polluting then it would make sense for us to do so. But in your theory/belief system it wouldn't make any difference anyway. So it is illogical that you would even mention India.
I can do it for you.............
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
https://phys.org/news/2017-02-zealand-unusual-glaciers.html
https://principia-scientific.org/climate-shock-90-percent-worlds-glaciers-growing/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/09/20/are-the-glaciers-in-glacier-national-park-growing/
https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-001-03/
you get the idea....
According to the Bible, God flooded the whole earth once to get rid of all the evil humans (except Noah and his family). Maybe he is just using a different tactic this time.
