1967 Borders and The Palestinian scam

Aardvark154

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Fuji to view Amman as a historically Palestinian city is as much stuff and nonsense as would making that claim of Damascus.
 

toguy5252

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Yah they just send bulldozers to raze houses to the floor. Fighter jets and tanks bombard heavily populated areas. They block aid, medicine and food to reach the hospitals. That's all :) no biggie!
Yea your right. They should just sit there and allow Hamas to sent missiles into populated areas, hide rocket and missile launchers in civilian areas and houses. Your right what other country in the world would actually take steps to protect their citizens form rocket attacks. The US suffered a grievous terrorist attack on 9/11 and they just accepted it. Wait a second in point of fact they took over Afghanistan and Iraq. That was proportionate i suppose.

Medical supplies and food etc have always been allowed through the blockade and if you ever actually visited and Israeli hospital you would see how many Palestinians are in fact give the best care in the world courtesy of the Israeli government.
 

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Medical supplies and food etc have always been allowed through the blockade and if you ever actually visited and Israeli hospital you would see how many Palestinians are in fact give the best care in the world courtesy of the Israeli government.
hmmm..didn't know this...is there any evidence of this?...sorry , never been to Israel, and was interested if you can give me some info...thnx
 

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No, your form of racism is a bit more subtle, you won't call Palestinian's 'cockroaches', but you don't assign them the same rights as Jews.
you are a strong advocate of Israel's right to defend themselves, but not of Palestinian's
you are a critic of terrorist methods used by Hamas, but not by Israel.
you respect the rule of international law and organizations otRnly applied to Israeli's

Racist, just a bit more subtle.
Israel had not targeted civilians; some rogue soldiers have but israel has disciplined them for doing so. That's different than the case of hamas which praises and rewards those who target civilians.

Where have I said that the palestinians have fewer rights? I have never said that, you're making it up.
 

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Fuji to view Amman as a historically Palestinian city is as much stuff and nonsense as would making that claim of Damascus.
There is not a significant cultural difference between the people living on the west bank and the people living on the east bank. jordan is, like israel, occupying much palestinian land, even if some other parts of it do include some other groups.
 

toguy5252

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hmmm..didn't know this...is there any evidence of this?...sorry , never been to Israel, and was interested if you can give me some info...thnx
Just google any of it. The allegations are ridiculous and are only used to demonize Israel notwithstanding they are not true.
 

Aardvark154

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There is not a significant cultural difference between the people living on the west bank and the people living on the east bank.
Which sounds like a statement that could be made of the State of Kuwait (or at least could before the Gulf War). That doesn't mean Kuwait is historically Palestinian.
 

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nobody has questioned this "chosen people" bullshit yet? Get real, dude...no loving God would have a chosen people, or he would be racist and unjust......not that there is a god like in the bible, just saying...
 

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LOL!
There are a few of our resident religious apologists who will dispute this with you....:eyebrows:
 

toguy5252

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nobody has questioned this "chosen people" bullshit yet? Get real, dude...no loving God would have a chosen people, or he would be racist and unjust......not that there is a god like in the bible, just saying...
The only people who keep raising the chosen people thing are the anti-Semites. The Jews have historical and well documented ties to Israel going back thousands of years. Even if they have none Israel was created by the UN. It is a fact and it is here to stay. the Palestinians can chose to negotiate and fulfill their legitimate national aspirations or maintain the status quo. Had their leaders been less intent on destroying Israel and more intent on creating a homeland for the Palestinian people those hopes and dreams would have been realized many years ago.
 

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The only people who keep raising the chosen people thing are the anti-Semites. The Jews have historical and well documented ties to Israel going back thousands of years. Even if they have none Israel was created by the UN. It is a fact and it is here to stay. the Palestinians can chose to negotiate and fulfill their legitimate national aspirations or maintain the status quo. Had their leaders been less intent on destroying Israel and more intent on creating a homeland for the Palestinian people those hopes and dreams would have been realized many years ago.
Perhaps you missed:



The entire bible has two main points.
Love thy neighbour, and Israel belongs to the Jews....
It scares people to think there may actually have been a God, and he is a zionist.

People say Jews are the chosen people. Yes, but only Jews who are zionist. In other words, zionists are the chosen people.
It's not hard to find, it's the in the first post on this thread....

OTB
 

toguy5252

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Perhaps you missed:



It's not hard to find, it's the in the first post on this thread....

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I didn't miss it at all. Read the post of the pecker, notty and others. It is right in from of your eyes if you care to open them. The OP is a racist and even though he purports to be a Zionist his views are in fact antithetical to true Zionists. Zionists do not depend on the bible for their claims to Israel but rather their historical documented patrimony.
 

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No, your form of racism is a bit more subtle, you won't call Palestinian's 'cockroaches', but you don't assign them the same rights as Jews.
The ones who are Israelis have the exact same rights as Jews. The ones who don't want to be Israeli don't want to be Israeli and therefore don't get treated as Israelis.
you are a strong advocate of Israel's right to defend themselves, but not of Palestinian's
A simple look at facts would show that Israeli attacks on Palestinian tend to be in response to Palestinian attacks. For example, the Israeli invasion of Gaza a couple years ago was in response to Palestinian forces launching thousands of rockets and mortars.
you are a critic of terrorist methods used by Hamas, but not by Israel.
you respect the rule of international law and organizations only applied to Israeli's
Israel doesn't tend to use terror tactics but attacks but does its best to target valid military targets. Some civilians get killed but that doesn't make it a terror attack. Also worth noting is that Israel acts against their soldiers who commit crimes while Hamas, Jihad, and even Fatah celebrate the murderers of Israeli civilians of any age.



As a side question, could you explain why 1000 Gazan deaths led to world wide protests against Israel, 1000 Lebanese deaths led to worldwide protests against Israel, yet 1000 Syrians killed by their own government barely gets any response? When will there be repeated rallies in Toronto against Syria?



p.s @ roadrash - Palestinians might not have existed before 1948 but since then they have a distinct history that would qualify them as a cultural group.
 

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nobody has questioned this "chosen people" bullshit yet? Get real, dude...no loving God would have a chosen people, or he would be racist and unjust......not that there is a god like in the bible, just saying...
By definition, every religion views themselves as the only correct believers and favoured by god. I don't see what makes the Jews any different from Christian sects that believe that everyone else is going to Hell.
 

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Yea your right. They should just sit there and allow Hamas to sent missiles into populated areas, hide rocket and missile launchers in civilian areas and houses. Your right what other country in the world would actually take steps to protect their citizens form rocket attacks. The US suffered a grievous terrorist attack on 9/11 and they just accepted it. Wait a second in point of fact they took over Afghanistan and Iraq. That was proportionate i suppose.

Medical supplies and food etc have always been allowed through the blockade and if you ever actually visited and Israeli hospital you would see how many Palestinians are in fact give the best care in the world courtesy of the Israeli government.
And also worth mentioning is Israel also is actively destroying any Jewish homes that have been illegally built as well.
 
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