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I will sign my name to this:

Statement #1b - I reject terrorism and believe targeted attacks on civilians such as Palestinians to be a war crime.

It's fair for you to modify the statement in the same way, so:

Statement #1 - I reject terrorism and believe targeted attacks on civilians such as Jewish settlers to be a war crime

Statement #2 - I am a terrorist or terrorist supporter and believe in targeting civilians such as settlers for attack

So which will you sign?
 
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fuji said:
I will sign my name to this:

Statement #1b - I reject terrorism and believe targeted attacks on civilians such as Palestinians to be a war crime.

It's fair for you to modify the statement in the same way, so:

Statement #1 - I reject terrorism and believe targeted attacks on civilians such as Jewish settlers to be a war crime

Statement #2 - I am a terrorist or terrorist supporter and believe in targeting civilians such as settlers for attack

So which will you sign?
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I reject terrorist techniques and do not support attacks on any civilians.

Now that we've got that behind us, do you support these lovely new bills coming proposed and some passed:

A law that practically bars Arab citizens from living in localities of less than 400 families.
A law that takes away the pension rights of former Knesset members who do not show up for police investigations (like Azmi Bishara).
A law that abolishes the citizenship of people convicted of “assisting terrorism.”
A law that obliges NGOs to disclose donations by foreign governmental institutions.
A law that gives preference for civil service positions to people who have served in the army (thus automatically excluding almost all Arab citizens).
A law that outlaws any commemoration of the 1948 Nakba (the expulsion of Arab inhabitants from areas conquered by Israel).
An extension of the law that prohibits (almost exclusively) Arab citizens who marry spouses from the Palestinian territories to live with them in Israel.
 
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toguy5252

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groggy said:
I reject terrorist techniques and do not support attacks on any civilians.

Now that we've got that behind us, do you support these lovely new bills coming proposed and some passed:

A law that practically bars Arab citizens from living in localities of less than 400 families.
A law that takes away the pension rights of former Knesset members who do not show up for police investigations (like Azmi Bishara).
A law that abolishes the citizenship of people convicted of “assisting terrorism.”
A law that obliges NGOs to disclose donations by foreign governmental institutions.
A law that gives preference for civil service positions to people who have served in the army (thus automatically excluding almost all Arab citizens).
A law that outlaws any commemoration of the 1948 Nakba (the expulsion of Arab inhabitants from areas conquered by Israel).
An extension of the law that prohibits (almost exclusively) Arab citizens who marry spouses from the Palestinian territories to live with them in Israel.
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Firstly you don't seem to understand the difference between a Bill and a law. the other thing about those pesky democracies is that they often pass laws that you or I do not like. I disagree with many of the Bills you have referred to but I also disagreed with the War Measures Act in Canada and the Patriot Act in the US to name a few. That is why we (and Isreal) have a Supreme court and elections. Thats the trouble with democracies. they have the right to pass laws wich people do not like.
 
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Pass enough of those laws and you start losing the traits that define democracy.

Freedom of speech, for instance.
That's on its way out with the law to ban anyone from talking about 'boycotts'.

Just watch your country chip away at its democracy bit by bit.
 
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groggy said:
Pass enough of those laws and you start losing the traits that define democracy.

Freedom of speech, for instance.
That's on its way out with the law to ban anyone from talking about 'boycotts'.

Just watch your country chip away at its democracy bit by bit.
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I agree that a number of those laws would be objectionable to me but as it happens neither you or I get a vote. I expect that most will not make it into law and those that do will be challenged in court. Time will tell if they are constitutional. You know what a constitution is don't you although given the company you associate with in Iran etc perhaps you don't. As they say democracy is the worst form of government. Except for every other form.
 
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gryfin said:
Only another couple of hundred pieces of racist Israeli legislation to go
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LOL. You truly are a pathetic (although sometimes hilarious) clown. You should probably go back to defending Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Assad and your other friends who are the bastions of liberty, democracy and pluralism. Too funny.
 
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toguy5252 said:
LOL. You truly are a pathetic (although sometimes hilarious) clown. You should probably go back to defending Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Assad and your other friends who are the bastions of liberty, democracy and pluralism. Too funny.
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You seem to forget that your bastion of democracy operates under a continuous military censor and has done so for close to 50 years. Democracies don't do that. Democracies don't engage in ethnic cleansing. Democracies don't hand out citizenship on the basis of religious affiliation. Democracies don't bar members of the legislature from speaking because the majority don't like the opinions of others.
 
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gryfin said:
You seem to forget that your bastion of democracy operates under a continuous military censor and has done so for close to 50 years. Democracies don't do that. Democracies don't engage in ethnic cleansing. Democracies don't hand out citizenship on the basis of religious affiliation. Democracies don't bar members of the legislature from speaking because the majority don't like the opinions of others.
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As usual when you dont like the facts just make them up. You are too funny.
 
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toguy5252 said:
As usual when you dont like the facts just make them up. You are too funny.
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If only it was a joke. Unfortunately, it's a tragic reality. You just live in the zionist echo chamber and don't hear from those who are victims.
 
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fuji said:
On the contrary the reason why there are so many journalists in Israel is it's the ONLY place in the Middle East with true press freedom.
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It WAS the only place.
Now, you can't say there is freedom of the press because you can't talk about boycotts without risk of being thrown in jail.

Lebanon has a pretty good press, by the way.
Al Jazeera is still probably the best in the middle east.

And, according to Al Jazeera, we've just suffered an attempt to quell free speech here in Canada, where some stupid, racist government committee has charged that talking about Israeli apartheid is anti-Semitic.

I might have to come up with a signature that says 'I support boycotting apartheid Israel', in protest.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117206368409551.html
 
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It is still the only place, groggy. If you write an article critical of Hezbollah in Lebanon you're likely to get killed.
 
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Lebanon's not too bad news wise. Of course the non-elected government party is busy trying to figure out how to appease the international community despite openly ignoring the indictment of some of their members in a massive bombing/political assassination (right now, France is debating backing out of a deal to provide helicopter missiles to the Lebanese Army due to Hezbollah controlling the country).

Turkey's not bad for journalism either (but hey are technically non-Arab). Aljazeera English is good but when it comes down to it is owned by Qatar's government. Egypt has reasonable openness to foreign media but has no real responsible homegrown news. Then there is Syria where we really don't know how many have been killed in protests because journalists are banned.

Israel's news media is easily on par with any western country despite what grog says.



p.s. If grog actually read that opinion peace he'd see it was not critical of Hezbollah at all but instead commenting on the untennable position of their PM designate Mikati who was chosen because he wasn't too tied to Hezb. As a regular reader of the daily star, their comments on Hezbollah have become more and more muted over the past 5 years.
 
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