100% Tariffs on Canada

[Butler1000]

No, not really, but I remember how good it once was.


This statement seems to be written but someone wearing rose colored glasses. Healthcare is a joke, new home ownership is a long gone possibility unless your rich, food is the highest in the g7 and we are literally taxed to death. If you can be happy under those circumstances good for you but I can't. Social safety net? I hope that was meant as a joke? There is a quarter of a million homeless Canadians that have fallen thru your safety net, you should go save them.


You're entirely unaware of the challenges and struggles presented to me or others and are simply making assumptions to suit your narrative. I do appreciate your pity but I think it would be better directed at those less fortunate than the both of us, they are much more in need of it

Dude. You own homes, have family, friends. Obviously either gainfully employed, or nicely retired. You have no clue about the income inequality in other parts of the world. Including the USA.


Btw your homeless number is not continously homeless. It's how many accessed services. Most people only access it for a few days. Guys getting out of prison until they can get home, a friend's couch, whatever. Guys in domestic situations kicked out and need a place until they can get sorted. Things like that.

The actually number is about 60,000. Many drug users, or mentally ill. And its illegal to commit them so very difficult to get them in. And yes I do wish more could be housed. I would love to see more subsidies for housing. But there are tons of services available.

Healthcare is not a joke. We rank very high on life expectancy, and overall outcomes. I have many cancer survivors in my social circle. Three ninety plus year olds in my immediate family. And have seen many good outcomes. And no medical bankruptcies. Ask the USA about those.

You are demanding perfection. It never existed.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

Dude. You own homes, have family, friends. Obviously either gainfully employed, or nicely retired. You have no clue about the income inequality in other parts of the world. Including the USA.

How would you know what I have a clue about? You have no idea who I interact with and get information from.

Btw your homeless number is not continously homeless. It's how many accessed services. Most people only access it for a few days. Guys getting out of prison until they can get home, a friend's couch, whatever. Guys in domestic situations kicked out and need a place until they can get sorted. Things like that.

The actually number is about 60,000. Many drug users, or mentally ill. And its illegal to commit them so very difficult to get them in. And yes I do wish more could be housed. I would love to see more subsidies for housing. But there are tons of services available.

Please supply your resource for the numbers you're claiming. Those don't in any way match what I've seen elsewhere.

Healthcare is not a joke. We rank very high on life expectancy, and overall outcomes. I have many cancer survivors in my social circle. Three ninety plus year olds in my immediate family. And have seen many good outcomes. And no medical bankruptcies. Ask the USA about those.

In the past month I can recall 2 patients having heart attacks and dying in the hospital waiting area and hallway healthcare has become the norm. I don't consider those good outcomes at all. You're right, Canada was never perfect, just significantly better than it is now.

 

[Jenesis]

Carney's intention is to sell our country out, China and the USA are our two largest trade partners. I don't believe any other country has an interest in absorbing Canada but if you know another that does I'd be interested in hearing about it.


My question has nothing to do with fighting or cheering, I'm sorry if you view it that way.


I'm not the only one that doesn't like it here anymore and I'm not the only one considering the idea. There are plenty of Canadians that feel the same way. And plenty that don't. I'm not sure why you feel this is something I came up with on my own and is only supported by me. Not the case. In fact you can clearly see other members of the board support the idea. My question just poses which is the lesser of two evils.

I would pose the same question to them as well. Why not move to the US?

I am not saying that others don’t agree with you. I’m saying you are in the minority though.

As for your opinion on Carney wanting to sell Canada out from Canadians, I don't agree. But again, that is just my opinion. We don't have to agree.

And I see some of your posts. Enough to know you are trying to play a baiting game with your question, but that is ok. You gave it a good try. Just didn't work here. No harm though.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

I would pose the same question to them as well. Why not move to the US?

I am not saying that others don’t agree with you. I’m saying you are in the minority though.

As for your opinion on Carney wanting to sell Canada out from Canadians, I don't agree. But again, that is just my opinion. We don't have to agree.

And I see some of your posts. Enough to know you are trying to play a baiting game with your question, but that is ok. You gave it a good try. Just didn't work here. No harm though.

If you think my question was nefarious you're entitled to that opinion however that wasn't my intention.

As for your opinion on Carney wanting to sell Canada out from Canadians, I don't agree. But again, that is just my opinion. We don't have to agree.

Can we agree that just because something is out of your view that doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

 

[Butler1000]

At no point did I insult you, in fact I've gone out of my way to be incredibly polite to you because I think that's the way a woman should be treated despite the fact you are mingling here among a 95% male population so I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'd appreciate it if you clarified.


I genuinely can't say for certain how happy I would be there as I've never lived there but life here has become unbearable. Also if I were to move the USA wouldn't necessarily be my first choice location wise, there are other places I would be more comfortable. You've mistaken me for being pro American just because I support Donald Trump as a president. At the end of the day I would prefer to remain just where I am. If you lived on a street that was once nice and then turned to shit would you up and move or would you rather the bad apples left the area?


That's easy for you to say but I genuinely don't think you realize the difficulty of making that move and the turmoil it would cause within my circle, without going into details.


I don't want the US, I don't want China, I want the pre liberal Canada back and am intelligent enough to know that's not possible even before Carney's 'new world order' speech. I was once a very proud Canadian, I didn't change, Canada did, or rather the government changed Canada.

I've noticed my question seems difficult for you or makes you uncomfortable but I'd still like and answer if you'd be so gracious. If Carney announced tomorrow(I know that is not a realistic scenario but humor me) he's decided to merge Canada with another country and called Canadians to a vote between Canada and China which would you vote for? Or would you pack up and move to another country entirely?

What pre liberal Canada? Trudeau 1 1970's to early 80's? Mulroney late 1980's? Chretien 1990's? Paul Martin 2000's? Harper 2000's?

I saw ups and downs with all of them. All enacted various changes that were lauded and criticized in equal measure. From the Constitution, to Free Trade, to Austerity, to post 9/11, to Great Recession, Covid, and now the Trump era. All challenges, markers of change.

Guess what, this nation survived 2 world wars, a Great Depression, cyclical boom/bust economies post war. We survived Quebec Independence, the 60's social upheaval, and various leaps in tech and social forms.

And now you give up? Dude, this nation is about to enter a new era. The world is changing whether you like it or not. It's going to be a post USA hegemony era with various adjustments to the international order. And I believe Canada,with our stability, international reputation, resources, stands to be one of several islands of calm in the turmoil to come.

I have hope.

 

[Butler1000]

How would you know what I have a clue about? You have no idea who I interact with and get information from.


Please supply your resource for the numbers you're claiming. Those don't in any way match what I've seen elsewhere.


In the past month I can recall 2 patients having heart attacks and dying in the hospital waiting area and hallway healthcare has become the norm. I don't consider those good outcomes at all. You're right, Canada was never perfect, just significantly better than it is now.

Google. And then direct experience with colleagues who worked in Toronto Shelters. The numbers and reasons are real.

Of course people die from heart attacks. Every day. In many cases people just cant be saved. Thats not a reflection on services. Just real life.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

Google. And then direct experience with colleagues who worked in Toronto Shelters. The numbers and reasons are real.

Of course people die from heart attacks. Every day. In many cases people just cant be saved. Thats not a reflection on services. Just real life.

You're just making excuses to justify the situation. Things have changed for the worse dramatically over the last decade whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

 

[Jenesis]

If you think my question was nefarious you're entitled to that opinion however that wasn't my intention.

As for your opinion on Carney wanting to sell Canada out from Canadians, I don't agree. But again, that is just my opinion. We don't have to agree.

Can we agree that just because something is out of your view that doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

Sure. We can agree there.

And can we agree that opinion is not fact?

because without being in the room with Carney saying he is trying to sell out the country, then it is really just your opinion. Correct?

 

[SaulGoodman777]

What pre liberal Canada? Trudeau 1 1970's to early 80's? Mulroney late 1980's? Chretien 1990's? Paul Martin 2000's? Harper 2000's?

I saw ups and downs with all of them. All enacted various changes that were lauded and criticized in equal measure. From the Constitution, to Free Trade, to Austerity, to post 9/11, to Great Recession, Covid, and now the Trump era. All challenges, markers of change.

Guess what, this nation survived 2 world wars, a Great Depression, cyclical boom/bust economies post war. We survived Quebec Independence, the 60's social upheaval, and various leaps in tech and social forms.

And now you give up? Dude, this nation is about to enter a new era. The world is changing whether you like it or not. It's going to be a post USA hegemony era with various adjustments to the international order. And I believe Canada,with our stability, international reputation, resources, stands to be one of several islands of calm in the turmoil to come.

I have hope.

I applaud your optimism, I'm sure it helps you sleep at night, I however see the reality of the situation and it's far more grim than your outlook. I wish I could share your perspective but i don't.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

Sure. We can agree there.

And can we agree that opinion is not fact?

because without being in the room with Carney saying he is trying to sell out the country, then it is really just your opinion. Correct?

We can agree on that.

And yes, I'm not in the room with Carney, that doesn't mean my observations aren't accurate. We're a year into his leadership and things have only gotten worse. I don't need xray vision to know what I see.

 

[Jenesis]

We can agree on that.

And yes, I'm not in the room with Carney, that doesn't mean my observations aren't accurate. We're a year into his leadership and things have only gotten worse. I don't need xray vision to know what I see.

And I appreciate you sharing your opinion. But we agree it is just that. Your opinion and with that, we will have to agree to disagree.

But thanks for the convo! I appreciate it.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

And I appreciate you sharing your opinion. But we agree it is just that. Your opinion and with that, we will have to agree to disagree.

But thanks for the convo! I appreciate it.

Was nice chatting with you dear.

 

[Butler1000]

You're just making excuses to justify the situation. Things have changed for the worse dramatically over the last decade whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Dramatically? Sorry I don't see it. We were hit with Covid. No fault of govt. Low death toll considering. Then inflation. Mostly due to corporate greed.

You think the Great Depression to WW2 was better? Quebec Separation and the Inflation of the 1970's?

The 1990's Austerity that saw me in near poverty, many struggling? Leading to the Tech crash, then 9/11?

This is nothing more than the human condition and the next set of things. My eyes are wide open. I get the challenges coming.

And I also know the resilience of my Nation. We will get through it.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

Dramatically? Sorry I don't see it. We were hit with Covid. No fault of govt. Low death toll considering. Then inflation. Mostly due to corporate greed.

You think the Great Depression to WW2 was better? Quebec Separation and the Inflation of the 1970's?

The 1990's Austerity that saw me in near poverty, many struggling? Leading to the Tech crash, then 9/11?

This is nothing more than the human condition and the next set of things. My eyes are wide open. I get the challenges coming.

And I also know the resilience of my Nation. We will get through it.

While I admire your perpetual optimism I don't share your perspective. The current societal hardships are by design, not by accident. If you want to make an omelette you need to crack a few eggs however I don't want an omelette and would prefer my eggs left alone.

 

[Frankfooter]

Coming from an oversized turkey I take that as a compliment. 51!,51!,51!

american bots are the worst

 

[Frankfooter]

Carney's intention is to sell our country out, China and the USA are our two largest trade partners

No, that's what DoFo is doing, not Carney.

Crown Royal will get banned but you can buy american alcopops in corner stores.
American nukes.
American hospital builds.....

 

[hamermill]

So what go ahead and impose 100,000,000 % tariffs on all Canadian goods entering in the USof Ass. Americans will either pay the tariffs or not.

 

[princekwekua]

Trump will chicken out. Canada is a partner much needed for many products and resources.

Trump is a bully imbecile. He's just pissed because Carney made an A1 speech in Davos and Trump regurgitated bull shit, again...

You are damn right! Carney got a standing ovation and he did not. Then Carney had the audacity to clap back that Canada exists because of Canadians and not because of Americans. So, according to the American idiot, Carney and Canada have to pay a price.
That is exactly the type of behaviour Carney pointed out.

Oh, and one more thing. Now that the Greenland hysteria he foolishly created has died down, he needs another distraction from the high prices and ICE murdering Americans: hello Canada

 

[princekwekua]

Good luck with that!

Canadian idiot is an apt description of who you are.

 

[SaulGoodman777]

Canadian idiot is an apt description of who you are.

Thank you, your majesty!