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In that article's terms, I think you are using case fatality rate (CFR), and they are estimating the infection fatality rate (IFR). Ie your chances of dying if you get infected is the IFR, not the CFR.

This article says the IFR is between 0.5% and 1%, and explains a bit why earlier estimates have been all over the map.


For the "it's just a flu" nuts, note that the flu's IFR is about 0.1%, among all the other things that make covid more dangerous.

So, basically, you are saying that COVID is only about 5-10 times more deadly than a flue. Or, in other words, the probability someone dies from COVID this year is the same as he will die from flue in the next 5-10 years. If it is, indeed, the case, then what all this fuss is about??? Even if we take into account that there is a vaccine from flue that is about 80% effective and no vaccine from COVID, the ratio of probabilities increases from 7.5 to 30, i.e., a probability you die from COVID this year is the same as you die from flue in the next 30 years. Still I do not see what the fuss is about.
 

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So, basically, you are saying that COVID is only about 5-10 times more deadly than a flue. Or, in other words, the probability someone dies from COVID this year is the same as he will die from flue in the next 5-10 years. If it is, indeed, the case, then what all this fuss is about??? Even if we take into account that there is a vaccine from flue that is about 80% effective and no vaccine from COVID, the ratio of probabilities increases from 7.5 to 30, i.e., a probability you die from COVID this year is the same as you die from flue in the next 30 years. Still I do not see what the fuss is about.
I don't think it is as simple as that. I don't think people normally catch the flu five years in a row, right? That's what the IFR measures - probability of dying if you are infected.

All these measures are being done because COVID is a novel virus with no previous immunity, is considered more infectious and has a higher death rate combined, not just because of simple death rate ratio.

The article touches on the key differences in the opening points.
  • They point out there’s no vaccine yet for COVID-19 and community-wide immunity hasn’t built up.
  • COVID-19 is also more infectious than the flu and has a higher death rate.
  • COVID-19 also has a higher rate of hospitalizations.
 

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No we don't! The only folks that know that are the ones that pull data out of their ass.
IRIS is so misinformed and pulling these so called "facts" out of thin air. What IRIS is claiming is simply not true, matter of fact the exact opposite of her claims are true.
There is already scientific data from the number of excess deaths that suggests the number of deaths worldwide is being underreported.


In the thread above I linked a few articles which shows the numbers of deaths not only in the USA but across many different countries are significantly higher than the previous years, and the full numbers of Coronavirus deaths do not represent the number of excess deaths.

As well very recent scientific data from other countries as well as the USA proves this. There is data that suggests there is a 28% excess deaths in the USA which is unaccounted for even by the increase from the Coronavirus deaths.
For example in the USA in just 3 months between March 1, 2020 to May 30, 2020 there was 122,000 excess deaths due to any cause, which 28% of is unaccounted for from the reported numbers of COVID-19 deaths, that represents 27,000 deaths higher than previous years from any cause.
 
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And benstt there is the associated complications. For example admission for blood clot has doubled since the pandemic.

Many other type of complications are observed. And for those who recover from hospital it seems they will have a follow up in the next year because scientist fear their lungs might never function as they should (lung scarring).

Covid is so contagious that it could be proven shortly that a much higher % of the population got infected. A ratio between 10 and 20 times higher is scientific guess based on yet uncompleted studies.

This would make covid probably have a death rate lower then the Flu. Now all covidiot will scream "SEE we were right all all the fucking media hype were WRONG. I told you this was just a little flu...!!"
To all these idiots I will ask this question. When was the last time the USA had 130k death in 3 months because of the flu? The CDC estimates that Flu death count was between 24,000 - 62,000 between Oct. 19 to May 20. That is far less in double the time.
 
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The US is also testing 600,000 or more each day. They have tested almost 38 MILLION more than Canada has. Look and ye shall find ......
 

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Look and ye shall find ......
Look at the increased hospitalizations and the number of hospitals working at near capacity with hardly any ICU bed available, and you will find the lies and incompetence from trump.
 

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The US is also testing 600,000 or more each day. They have tested almost 38 MILLION more than Canada has. Look and ye shall find ......
They are behind in testing. It is taking up to 7 days to get results. The numbers you are seeing now are only a small representation of infections. The deaths are now rising as it takes 7 to 10 days for the deaths to catch up to the numbers. It's going to be a complete shit show. Trumpfarts base will be the first to die off.
 

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I think Angela Merkel nailed it properly yesterday... "You cannot fight the pandemic with lies".

As an ex-scientist she's got more common sense and was able to put her country, like any decent developed country did, in control.

Only the US did not achieve because of lack of leadership.
 

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Looks like Atlanta is going back into LOCKDOWN. Let this be a lesson to all COVIDIDIOTS in Ontario. Stop being selfish, keep your distance and wear a mask in public places and not be responsible for causing us to go back into lockdown!!

 

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Hmmmmm, deaths starting to rise in the US as the real "experts" predicted. Let's see the spin the Republicans and right wing covididiots use to attempt to change the narrative.

 
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Squeezer there is no narrative for the covididiots (as you call them ;) ) because for them it's still an hoax. As crazy as can be they still think this is an hoax... I would not like to be them...
 
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Squeezer there is no narrative for the covididiots (as you call them ;) ) because for them it's still an hoax. As crazy as can be they still think this is an hoax... I would not like to be them...
I suspect that they live a very happy life because "ignorance is bliss".
 

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It's crazy...every 2 days they're accumulating more new cases than Canada has reported in total.
The USA started seeing a drastic increase in the number of new cases in the third week of June, Brazil has also seen a significant increase in the number of new cases.
Since the third week of June where both The USA and Brazil have seen drastic increase in the number of new cases the two countries combined have accounted for over 45% of all the new number of Coronavirus cases worldwide in the last 25 days.

Brazil 900,000+ New cases

USA 1,200,000+ New cases

Combined total 2,100,000+
Worldwide 4,600,000+

The issue with both countries is both of the leaders, both of the leaders lack any understanding or knowledge pretaining to the Coronavirus and treating it as if it's not a threat.
 

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Squeezer there is no narrative for the covididiots (as you call them ;) ) because for them it's still an hoax. As crazy as can be they still think this is an hoax... I would not like to be them...
You mean you wouldn't want to be an older or high-risk person who comes into contact with them or a health-care worker treating them.

Those who choose to be defiant due to their ignorance and blind loyalty to the orange orangutan deserve to be hooked up to a respirator or buried six feet deep.
 
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You mean you wouldn't want to be an older or high-risk person who comes into contact with them or a health-care worker treating them.

Those who choose to be defiant due to their ignorance and blind loyalty to the orange orangutan deserve to be hooked up to a respirator or buried six feet deep.
Waste of a respirator on someone who was basically asking to get sick.
 
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