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★ Pitbulls, dangerous or not dangerous?

malata

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Meet 'Hulk': The Giant 175lb Family Pit Bull

Pit Bulls can only be dangerous depending on the Owner/Master.

 

sweetiepieexo

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anywhere i want;)
in what way are you being respectful? Your making assumptions about me without even knowing or ever meeting me. They are not excuses they are known facts, Dogs are trained , they are not born and know how to sit, fetch, etc. They are trained. I'm not sure what points your trying to make but no dog ever attacks without being provoked. Take that from a dog owner. Dogs sense energy they can tell when your nervous, anxious, sad etc. You probably don't believe me but I'm sure every single dog owner on here would tell you the exact same thing.


Malata - Great video. Yes ive heard of the hulk . He is quite the celebrity and the prime example of what we are talking. Am I wrong to say point proven???
so because i don' agree with your pit bull apologism, excuses and denials i am hopeless and not worthy of respect? is this how how pit bull advocates act towards who disagree with them. you are acting like SJWs who are triggered by criticism
 

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in what way are you being respectful? Your making assumptions about me without even knowing or ever meeting me. They are not excuses they are known facts, Dogs are trained , they are not born and know how to sit, fetch, etc. They are trained. I'm not sure what points your trying to make but no dog ever attacks without being provoked. Take that from a dog owner. Dogs sense energy they can tell when your nervous, anxious, sad etc. You probably don't believe me but I'm sure every single dog owner on here would tell you the exact same thing.


Malata - Great video. Yes ive heard of the hulk . He is quite the celebrity and the prime example of what we are talking. Am I wrong to say point proven???
i never insulted you in any way i was talking to WhereIRoam pit bulls are not like other dogs which are bred for pets and companionship.



This tactic is specifically for PB. They're the only breed that grabs & shakes without opening the jaw. Do not use this on other breeds, they are more likely to turn & snap at you than stay clinged on like a PB. PitBull Rescue Central recommends you have a break stick if you own a PB


why is that pit bull advocates recommend a break stick if you own a pitbull?
 

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yes your right . Not me personally but others might find your posts rude . That video you posted is about a fight dog lol again who is trained to fight other dogs. The video of the hulk is a family dog lol. He is bred to be protective and to be a family dog.... its hard explaining it to a non dog owner who doesn't have the responsibility of raising/ training a dog.


As the trainer said its pretty much the only thing that will break up a dog fight... do you watch the videos you post or?
i never insulted you in any way i was talking to WhereIRoam pit bulls are not like other dogs which are bred for pets and companionship.



This tactic is specifically for PB. They're the only breed that grabs & shakes without opening the jaw. Do not use this on other breeds, they are more likely to turn & snap at you than stay clinged on like a PB. PitBull Rescue Central recommends you have a break stick if you own a PB


why is that pit bull advocates recommend a break stick if you own a pitbull?
 

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Do you think Pitbull meat is tender or does it need to be marinated?
 

frankcastle

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Food for thought but in the end it won't change how owners treat or teach their dogs.
Sure it will. The problem is a lot of people don't understand things like not feeding dogs scraps from the table. This just leads to a dog who hangs around the dinner table begging. It may seem obvious but a lot of people don't understand that.

I think you and I agree that a large part of the problem is the owner. Sure there are some douche bags who own pit bulls but there are many who pick a pitbull as their first dog and don't read one book or do any research on raising dogs.

Will this eradicate the problems regarding bad owners? No. But it will at least reduce the number of people who fuck up training their dogs due to ignorance.

I know it may sound extreme but I'd even extend this to parenting of children. Some people just don't have a clue.

When it comes to caring for a living thing that if mistreated could be a menace it should not be taken lightly and frankly I think we as a society are too flippant about it.
 

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I have 4 pitbulls. They are a incredible dogs. Very entertaining. I enjoy watching them fight. They get pretty heated with each other. My 10 year old nephew has been spending most of his summer vacation with them. Never had a problem. I would say it depends on the owner as far as them being dangerous.
 

frankcastle

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It would "reduce" I agree.
I guess what I was more thinking of is that even though you need to follow the rules enough when doing a road test to get your driver's license it doesn't mean you will do the same once you have the license like speeding, improper lane change, speeding up to go through an amber light or wearing a seat belt... that was my thought when I posted that comment.
I see your point. But if you choose to ignore safety training you can be legally responsible for your actions.
 

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I have 4 pitbulls. They are a incredible dogs. Very entertaining. I enjoy watching them fight. They get pretty heated with each other. My 10 year old nephew has been spending most of his summer vacation with them. Never had a problem. I would say it depends on the owner as far as them being dangerous.
If pit bulls did not exist would you still own dogs?
 

frankcastle

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I agree but any dog larger than a miniature poodle would deal more damage.
I realize you are using miniature poodles as an example but do you feel we should euthanize all larger dogs no matter the breed, they would all do more damage? There are a lot of dogs larger than a miniature poodle.
Not all larger dogs. But I do feel that pitbulls are not the only dangerous breed. It happens to be the most lethal.
 

frankcastle

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So, again for an example.
Say we did euthanize all Pit bulls on earth. Would you then feel we should do the same with the next most lethal breed? Where would it end? When all power breeds are gone?
For even after that there would always be "the most lethal".
Well considering pitbulls killed 66 people and the next most lethal breed killed under 20..... I think that would be a pretty good step. (I posted a link above)

But let's look at it a different way.... is there anything unique about raising a pit bull that you couldn't experience with another breed? For example, if you couldn
t have a pitbull could you be happy with a different type of dog?

I have two dogs and one is a mutt of unknown origin and I love it as much as the other dog.
 

malata

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If you look closely or farther back that the breed that has killed more people per decade has changed every decade since the 70s. This time it happens to be the Pit bull's turn.
https://www.cesarsway.com/about-dogs/pit-bulls/how-did-pit-bulls-get-a-bad-rap

"Would it surprise you to learn that pit bulls used to be America’s darlings? Before the mid-80s, stories of pit bull attacks are practically non-existent. There is even some confusion over exactly which breed of dog is a pit bull — the definition includes the American pit bull terrier, the Staffordshire terrier and, at times, the bulldog. This confusion seems to have dogged the breed from the beginning, as there is some disagreement over the origin of pit bulls."

"For one thing, despite being illegal in all fifty states, dog fighting made a comeback in the 80s, and the pit bull is the dog of choice. It is also the preferred guard dog for drug dealers and gangs, with a hugely publicized attack in 1987 in which a pit bull guarding a marijuana crop in California mauls and kills a two-and-a-half year-old boy."

"Yet it only takes a brief look at the history of pit bulls to realize that the dogs are not the problem; the humans who misuse them are. For over a hundred years, holding the owners personally responsible was enough to prevent attacks, and the breed was perceived as very child-friendly. With outreach and education, it may be possible to restore that image and rehabilitate the pit bull’s reputation, restoring an iconic American dog to its rightful place among mankind’s best friends."


 

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https://www.cesarsway.com/about-dogs/pit-bulls/how-did-pit-bulls-get-a-bad-rap

"Would it surprise you to learn that pit bulls used to be America’s darlings? Before the mid-80s, stories of pit bull attacks are practically non-existent. There is even some confusion over exactly which breed of dog is a pit bull — the definition includes the American pit bull terrier, the Staffordshire terrier and, at times, the bulldog. This confusion seems to have dogged the breed from the beginning, as there is some disagreement over the origin of pit bulls."

"For one thing, despite being illegal in all fifty states, dog fighting made a comeback in the 80s, and the pit bull is the dog of choice. It is also the preferred guard dog for drug dealers and gangs, with a hugely publicized attack in 1987 in which a pit bull guarding a marijuana crop in California mauls and kills a two-and-a-half year-old boy."

"Yet it only takes a brief look at the history of pit bulls to realize that the dogs are not the problem; the humans who misuse them are. For over a hundred years, holding the owners personally responsible was enough to prevent attacks, and the breed was perceived as very child-friendly. With outreach and education, it may be possible to restore that image and rehabilitate the pit bull’s reputation, restoring an iconic American dog to its rightful place among mankind’s best friends."


Myth #8: Pit bulls used to be the most popular dog in America

Pit bull advocates often claim that by World War I, the pit bull had become the "most popular dog in America." A source is never cited with this claim. In March 2006, the publication Animal People tested this claim. By searching the classified dogs-for-sale ads from 1900 to 1950 on NewspaperArchive.com, the organization discovered that huskies and St. Bernards were the most popular dog breeds of that period. Of the 34 dog breeds searched, pit bulls ranked 25th.
Due to the different names that pit bulls are known by, Animal People ran searches on three breed names: pit bull terrier, Staffordshire, and American bulldog. As the group states, "The exercise was skewed toward finding more pit bulls rather than fewer, since multiple searches were run to try to find pit bulls under a variety of different names." The combined sum of these three breed names came to 34,770; 1% of the sampling of nearly 3.5 million breed-specific mentions of dogs.19

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php


Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed
The outdated debate, "It's the owner, not the breed," has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 30-year old problem.1 Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings -- inflicted by the pit bull's genetic "hold and shake" bite style -- on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull's behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries.
The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.3
Purveyors of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and their family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2016, pit bulls killed 254 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days. Of these deaths, 52% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.5
 

malata

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From 2005 to 2016, pit bulls killed 254 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days. Of these deaths, 52% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.5
Do you have any data indicating fatality by Pit Bulls before YR 1985?
 
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