“EXPERIENCE” vs “SERVICES”

[anotherwebguy]

Neither. Just explaining they are two different words with two different meanings....

What doggystyle99 is attempting to provide is the language and meanings commonly familiar, and used by the members of the TERB community to identify services. These may not accurately correspond to any outside definitions and meanings, but they are a part of our language and have been for years.

To argue about experiences versus services is not productive, since the two are interrelated in the minds of most TERB members.

Some terms have evolved to have their own meanings and understanding among the TERB community. As a new comer, you are not expected to understand or agree, however that is just the way the members here communicate services. What goes on outside this forum can be a source of confusion, and disappointment, since TERB has it's own community vernacular and language, and a hobbyist can sometimes also forget that fact. When such situations happen, it's a common reaction for TERB members to interpret the misunderstanding as an attempt to deceive, which is not necessarily the case, so please do not take offense.

 

[doggystyle99]

What doggystyle99 is attempting to provide is the language and meanings commonly familiar, and used by the members of the TERB community to identify services. These may not accurately correspond to any outside definitions and meanings, but they are a part of our language and have been for years.

To argue about experiences versus services is not productive, since the two are interrelated in the minds of most TERB members.

Some terms have evolved to have their own meanings and understanding among the TERB community. As a new comer, you are not expected to understand or agree, however that is just the way the members here communicate services. What goes on outside this forum can be a source of confusion, and disappointment, since TERB has it's own community vernacular and language, and a hobbyist can sometimes also forget that fact. When such situations happen, it's a common reaction for TERB members to interpret the misunderstanding as an attempt to deceive, which is not necessarily the case, so please do not take offense.

This is not limited to TERB members.
Anyone (SP's or Clients) who has been around this indusry in the last 15 years or so, or any client that has booked an SP through some sort of online ad should be and is well aware of these acronyms and that they are associated with which experience.
Ever since the birth and boom of online ads originally started with Craigslist and then onto Backpages I would say around 2005, SP's and agencies have been advertising GFE, PSE and even SAFE GFE and the clients know which acronyms and services apply to which category. Even prior to C-36 all were able to even advertise every single service they provided.

The owner of PLXTO is not new, she has been working as an SP herself for quite a few years and is well aware of these terms, services and acronyms.

As I said earlier whether it's a client or an SP whose definition differs from that posted above, they are either wrong or doing it purposely.

 

[anotherwebguy]

I'd like to hope you are correct, however at a recent session with an indy ( Mizuki ) she insisted that BBBJ was actually a PSE thing (face palm).

How are you going to argue?

That's why TERB is here, so we can try to sort this stuff out ahead of time.

 

[Backnine]

experience = vibe

service = things we did

thats how I look at it

 

[malata]

gfe/experience more of twirly soft tongue fucking. pse/service more of tongue sucking

 

[AllysaJaydenxo]

GFE vs PSE

Ok, I can't bite my tongue any longer on this topic.

As someone who has been an indy SP & agency SP, and at times both. I have had this conversation many times over my 5 year career in this industry.

It's right there in the acronym, girlfriend experience & porn star experience. These types of calls are referred to in such a way as to convey that one is sensual & bordering on romantic(GFE) the other is a call that is hyper-focused on sexual presentation & passion(PSE).
For example kind of like the difference between a waltz & a tango.

Services are a seperate ball game. Always has been.

GFE & PSE services vary between providers & over the years industry standards have changed over time, sometimes in the same year. We are seeing that shift now some clients want safer services, others trust their providers to get tested & be cautious with new clients.

Either way, nothing in this world is static, everything is fluid & ever changing. Being so rigid as to say;
(I'm paraphrasing so don't bite my head off, k)
"If I book GFE it has to include XYZ or it's not true GFE" or "I'm booking PSE & it must include greek or it's a scam"..


Clients who say these things make me scratch my head in confusion, like wouldn't you rather book someone who offers the service you seek? You know enthusiastic consent...
But nope some will go "shit post" on an SP's good review to "teach her" for not offering the set list of services they feel fits their definition of GFE or PSE.

When this is your only line of thinking, you are actually depriving yourself of a good time with a wonderful provider because "x service isn't offered" & frankly it's your loss. IMO.

Now before I go, I'm going to speak to some of my experiences for a better perspective, you can read it or not, wanna twist my words you can try; frankly I think this argument has been hashed & rehashed so many times it's now being used, sometimes in a malicious fashion.

When I started 5 years ago if you didn't offer BBBJ you barely got bookings, the first time a client asked me for CBJ, I was a bit shocked & he told me when he started CBJ was common, he joked I was probably in highschool when that was still a thing..

Also when I started 5 years ago, I only offered GFE really until my 2nd year because I was scared as hell to call myself PSE incase some guy wrote me a bad review because I don't do greek & trust me clients who book PSE with me get quite the experience, what I lack in the offering greek I more than make up for..

I've been called the energizer bunny, ffs, but by some peoples definition I'm not a real PSE because I don't offer greek & to that I call bullshit, because it is.

What I'm trying to convey here is when you confuse experience with services, getting stuck on acronyms you deprive yourself of the true range available from individual providers who have so much more to offer than a list of letters.

Allysa Jayden

 

[Gentlemoan]

Service = People do not remember what you say or what you do
Experience = But they will remember how you make them feel

 

[Jasmine Raine]

experience = vibe

service = things we did

thats how I look at it

That is my understanding.

Services are services and that is norm being looked for regardless of it being GFE or PSE.


Experience is something a extra, either a little or a lot, and is sought by a lesser amount of clients.

An SP that can give both is top-notch.

 

[doggystyle99]

It’s not the first time that doggystyle has posted something that should really be a terb sticky.

Just trying to pass on useful information that I've learned from using this board so other hobbyists specially new ones can educate themselves better and have more positive experiences and not be mis informed about the regularities of what is to be expected in the industry. Specially since there is a barrage of nefarious posters on the board in the last 2 years whose sole intentions are to represent the Twitter stance of SP's here.

 

[doggystyle99]

experience = vibe

service = things we did

thats how I look at it

Service and experience will always by synonymous with one another.
Just like I wouldn't show up to see an SP who advertises as a SAFE GFE expecting to receive GREEK or CIM from her, I would not show up to see an SP who advertises as GFE or PSE and expect to receive CBJ or LK.

(As always not withstanding YMMV)

 

[doggystyle99]

Unfortunately there has always been and will always be some less then reputable SP's or agency who will attempt to change the definition of SAFE GFE to GFE because using the term GFE instead of SAFE GFE is a better way to market or advertise to clients, more accepted, and will garner them more clients. Just because they use false advertising tactics it doesn't and will not change the fact that certain services (CBJ, LK) are associated with SAFE GFE providers and not GFE providers.

Most of these ads throughout the years who have attempted to change this definition were less than reputable SP's or agencies who for the very high majority were on BP, LL, and other classifieds. Some indy SP's and B&S Asian agencies tried doing this on TERB years ago and it didn't work, but those who were able to get away with it and continued to intentionally advertise this way were successful because they rely on clients who do not know any better. In many cases this was nothing but a tactic to upsell these basic GFE services as PSE.

For Eg. the SP advertising under the guise of a GFE provider would then tell you LK and CBJ is a part of her GFE services but for $50 extra you can upgrade to her PSE menu which will include DFK and BBBJ. Again those services are a part of GFE services if any SP or agency tells you otherwise they are either wrong or doing it purposely to charge the clients more or to provide less services. Thankfully I stay away from such providers who do not know the definition of the basics or those who are willfully advertising these differences to scam unsuspecting clients of money or services, and throughout the years I've avoided many SP's this way.

Far too many reputable SP's and agencies in this city to pick from than to reward this type of behavior.

For any new members who are reading this thread the following is a list of services that are associated with SAFE GFE, GFE, and PSE respectively...............Please learn the difference and book accordingly.

SAFE GFE------LK, CBJ, FS no exchange of body fluids of any type and everything is protected
GFE-------------LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, DIGITS, FS
PSE-------------Same as GFE plus any one of the following services GREEK, DT, CIM, CIMSW, SPITTING, SLAPPING, SUB, DOM, ROUGH SEX

(As always not withstanding YMMV)

 

[OnTheWayOut]

I resonate with what Pixto is alluding to, as it relates also to the realm of indy sps.

The thought of you resonating excites me to no end! :yo: