“EXPERIENCE” vs “SERVICES”

[Plxto]

I am posting this in hopes in clarifying what seems to be a point of debate.


EXPERIENCES......

“The girlfriend experience (GFE) refers to a specific type of sex trade work in which the female sex worker role plays as the client's girlfriend. This type of serivce is similar to an escort service. The focus is more on the complete interpersonal experience rather than the focus being primarily on sex. On the contrary, The porn star experience (PSE) focuses primarily on the sexual encounter. Services provided can and often do vary from service provider depending on a variety of factors........”

SERVICES........

Here is a link to approximately 200 related acronyms and abbreviations regarding escorts with many to do with services

https://www.allacronyms.com/escorts/abbreviations

There are “safe services” available and can be offered REGARDLESS of the experience. GFE or PSE EXPERIENCES can include a wide variety of many, many, many, many different services

To state again

Gfe - #1. date like experience with connection, #2. Sexual connection

Pse - #1. Concentration on sexuality only

SERVICES are specific “acts” offered by the lady, NOT THE EXPERIENCE

Once again

Experience = experience offered

Service = services offered

 

[luvyeah]

I'm confused.

Could this be interpreted as a bad GFE is just PSE?

 

[Plxto]

Neither. Just explaining they are two different words with two different meanings....

 

[shack]

Neither. Just explaining they are two different words with two different meanings....

As it has been for decades and been discussed for just as long.

Does this, in some way, extend the conversation?

 

[doggystyle99]

The terms SAFE GFE, GFE or PSE describe what to expect from an SP in a session, and have the following abbreviations attached to them, and I am sure the majority of hobbyists and SP's would agree.
As always not considering YMMV

Safe GFE-----LK, CBJ, FS no exchange of body fluids of any type and everything is protected
GFE-----------LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, DIGITS, FS
PSE-----------Same as GFE plus any of the following services GREEK, DT, CIM, CIMSW, SLAPPING, SPITTING, SUB, DOM, Rough sex.....It doesn't have to be all could be just one of the services for eg there are some PSE providers who will provide GREEK but not CIM which is fine because that's what they are comfortable with. But just because they don't offer one it doesn't mean the other is not an PSE service.

Services are specific acts offered by the SP and would fall in one of those 3 categories, and not based on what the SP feels is GFE otherwise every person would have a different meaning for SAFE GFE, GFE and PSE.
CBJ is not considered GFE services and GREEK is not considered GFE, neither is BBBJ considered SAFE GFE. They are categorized as I stated them above.
LL girls used to pull the trick of posting in their ads or telling clients over the phone and in texts they were GFE providers to get them to book and when clients showed up none of those GFE services were offered or provided.

The very high majority of hobbyists when told the SP is a GFE provider will expect the above acronyms in terms of service.

 

[Plxto]

You are talking about something completely and totally different than the point. I did not ever state that certain things go with certain words. Expectation of “SERVICES” is not the experience.

It is disappointing to be so misunderstood

Of course there are specific services that are understood BUT there is a reason for “YMMV”

 

[luvyeah]

You are talking about something completely and totally different than the point. I did not ever state that certain things go with certain words. Expectation of “SERVICES” is not the experience.

It is disappointing to be so misunderstood

Of course there are specific services that are understood BUT there is a reason for “YMMV”

Can you elaborate on what "concentration on sexuality only" means?

GFE and PSE have connotations associated with them, what exactly are they, and what is reasonable to assume?

 

[doggystyle99]

You are talking about something completely and totally different than the point. I did not ever state that certain things go with certain words. Expectation of “SERVICES” is not the experience.

It is disappointing to be so misunderstood

Of course there are specific services that are understood BUT there is a reason for “YMMV”

Again services are specific acts offered by an SP that would fall under one of those 3 categories. When you say she is a GFE provider but does not provide BBBJ, DFK or DATY (not withstanding YMMV) that is incorrect as you are describing a SAFE GFE provider.
It's really not that hard to understand

 

[doggystyle99]

Can you elaborate on what "concentration on sexuality only" means?

GFE and PSE have connotations associated with them, what exactly are they, and what is reasonable to assume?

Safe GFE-----LK, CBJ, FS no exchange of body fluids of any type and everything is protected
GFE-----------LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, DIGITS, FS
PSE-----------Same as GFE plus any of the following services GREEK, DT, CIM, CIMSW, SLAPPING, SPITTING, SUB, DOM, Rough sex.....It doesn't have to be all could be just one of the services

Most would agree these acronyms represent the experience (not withstanding YMMV).
If there is an SP who is listed as a GFE provider and a client shows up with BO and she gives him a CBJ that is called YMMV, but if there is an SP who is listed as a GFE provider and provides CBJ to all of her clients she is a SAFE GFE provider.

 

[Ben19]

This is interesting. When I first started I assumed what services are provided is different than GFE/PSE as the latter is more the type of session and connection a provider has. But I was wrong and as posters correctly pointed out when someone mentions GFE or PSE it is referring to a set of services for the most part . Things like GREEK are always considered PSE and BBBJ vs CBJ is GFE.

Having said that there is no formula, your not ordering an object from a menu and everyone is different so I think it’s best practice to always check with a girl re specific services to make sure everyone is on the same page early when you first meet them. I do this once when I meet someone and it takes away the guess work. For example CIMWS a common PSE thing is sometimes offered by “GFE” providers. Another example DIGITS is sometimes not provided by a GFE girl who does everything else like BBBJ DFK etc. I think it’s common sense to check with someone before you stick your finger in. Another thing is sometimes a girl whose okay with BBBJ may not be okay with it for round 2 given exposure to cum, that’s rare but has happened to me before. So while GFE/PSE refers to a set of services when referenced for me there does exist variations based on provider and that makes sense cause people are different and not everyone can be categorized into 2-3 categories. So I think when people talk about services just saying gfe or PSE is not always specific enough

Overall I hate to say this but I agree with doggystyle (yes I I had bite my tongue) in that when GFE or PSE is mentioned the services he mentions are expected but my point is it’s best to always just check for some specific things in advance as some provide “extras” or the opposite.

 

[shack]

You are talking about something completely and totally different than the point. It is disappointing to be so misunderstood

Apparently you made need to repost in a manner that accurately conveys to others what you mean and in a clear manner.

 

[luvyeah]

Safe GFE-----LK, CBJ, FS no exchange of body fluids of any type and everything is protected
GFE-----------LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, DIGITS, FS
PSE-----------Same as GFE plus any of the following services GREEK, DT, CIM, CIMSW, SLAPPING, SPITTING, SUB, DOM, Rough sex.....It doesn't have to be all could be just one of the services

Most would agree these acronyms represent the experience (not withstanding YMMV).

This was my general understanding, but I'd like to honestly see how one can elaborate how they separate services from the experience. Do the services not define the experience? This is a service, or am I confused?
Acting kind and sweet is all a service that I'm paying for, why is that different than the specific acts of sex that are being compensated for?

Maybe it will reaffirm my belief that GFE and PSE in practice are nothing but a marketing gimmick.
That is why I explicitly ask about certain services I am interested in to ensure there is no confusion.

I can understand it can change provider to provider, and that fine, but if hygiene is impeccable and there is mutual respect how much variance is acceptable? Transparency is key.

Would it be fair to make the rate vague as the promise of the service too?

 

[John Wick]

Given what I've seen in the industry, when a woman starts talking about the 'experience' vs. 'services', what she really means by the 'experience' is when a guy pays to sit with, look at, and talk to an SP in some social situation, buy her gifts, take her to a show, out to dinner, all on his dime, and over and above the hourly rate. At the end of their time together, there is likely to be at a minimum FS, but not guaranteed. This is NOT a girlfriend experience. This is a BLIND DATE.

Lots of guys date, unsuccessfully, in real life and never get even a sniff of sex. They're called incels.

There are also guys who will pay hookers for this kind of interaction as well, but they are the exception, not the norm, or even a close majority, regardless of the narrative some providers try to advance.

This thread seems like an another attempt to simply lower client expectations of receiving sexual services from a provider based on a twisted definition of GFE.

Doggystyle99's definition is without a shadow of a doubt EXACTLY how the client side of the industry describes the variations of client-SP relations.

 

[blueray]

Doggystyle99's definition is without a shadow of a doubt EXACTLY how the client side of the industry describes the variations of client-SP relations.

It’s not the first time that doggystyle has posted something that should really be a terb sticky.

 

[Plxto]

Everyone seems to think I am attempting to explain which service goes with which experience. I am not. Perhaps in a simpler format using a fake review

I seen fluffy yesterday. When I entered the location we sat and talked about my recent vacation and laughed about a funny video we seen. We shared a glass of wine then she invited me to take a shower. THIS IS DESCRIBING A TYPICAL GIRLFRIEND “EXPERIENCE”. When I met her in the bedroom we (insert as many abbreviations you wish.THIS IS SERVICES



I seen fluffy yesterday. When I entered the location we spoke briefly and then she invited me to take a shower THIS IS DESCRIBING A TYPICAL PORN STAR “EXPERIENCEL”

Doggy is attempting to say services = experience

I am simply saying any services can be included in any experience

As an agency owner, let me put this one last way

Gfe “experience” set up....may include lighting candles, putting a bottle of wine out, soft music, beautiful lighting, preparing a nice place to sit outside of the bedroom
The lady provides any and all services

Pse experience set up....may include music, perhaps porn on, I would not prepare a nice place to sit and chat
The lady provides any and all services

You can continue to argue which services go with which experiences but that is no way even near the point. You are stating this service goes with this experience which more speaks to the point of them being two different things.

As a now agency owner, I speak VERY clearly and care that the wants, needs and expectations of our clients are met. I can assure you (giving the amount of very positive feedback we have received) that the individual needs, wants and desires are met with great success. While getting to know what the desired outcome of any client that calls, I ask what type of experience they want along with the services they are looking for which differ from client to client. Knowing the difference between experience and services is the key to a successful appointment

Clients not getting services as promised is not what this is about. Actually the extreme opposite where all SERVICES are listed upfront so there are no issues, surprises or clients feeling like they got taken

 

[doggystyle99]

Doggy is attempting to say services = experience

I am simply saying any services can be included in any experience

That is exactly what I am saying. The majority of hobbyists would also agree with that.

When it come to SAFE GFE (Which you keep omitting from your posts), GFE or PSE, although it stands for "Experience" they are associated with certain services.
Matter of fact many if not all clients who use classifieds or have used classifieds in the past like LL or BP will refer to the above and then add the word services in the end. For eg they will ask the SP "Do you provide GFE services"?
As the services I posted earlier are associated with those experiences the very high majority if not all the times.

Again no one in their right mind would say I am looking for SAFE GFE then expect CIM, just like no one in their right mind would say I am looking for PSE and expect CBJ.
Whether it's a client or an SP whose definition differs from that, they are wrong or doing it purposely.

So when your website describes
GFE Services include
CBJ, DATY, LFK

or

GFE services include
DFK, LFK, CBJ, and Protected DATY

You are incorrect as those are SAFE GFE services which you are classifying as GFE services.

(As always notwithsatnding YMMV cases)

You keep omitting SAFE GFE in all of your posts. The question is do you believe SAFE GFE providers exist?

If yes what does that encompass?

If no what is your reasoning?

Do you believe an SP can provide CBJ to all her clients and be considered a GFE provider?

 

[yomero5]

Plxto,

Just focus on acquiring as many young, hot girls, in as many locations as possible.

 

[Samranchoi]

Too much overthinking.

 

[FlorenceYi]

I resonate with what Pixto is alluding to, as it relates also to the realm of indy sps.

Any sp can provide the exactly same set of services and be considered GFE or PSE in their experience and execution. In theory, this makes complete sense. However, in practice, most gents, especially those searching primarily based on services, are not so much worried about the sp's philosophy of sex work. Most just want the services. Therefore, it's become much simpler that services are synonymous with experience.. this is the way it's been for a long time and I don't think it will change.

Just having had 2 duos with Lea Rose made me truly understand this.. my experience with her with 1 client was completely different than with another client. Though her menu offers a whole range of things, the experience catered and executed is a complete entity on its own.. from PSE to GFE she manoeuvred so gracefully. My reviews also say that I am a mix of GFE/PSE (as they are talking about certain services), however my philosophy and brand has always been and will always be GFE. It doesn't help the confusion when separate pricepoints are often reflected by advertising indys or agencies with GFE/PSE pricing.

 

[shack]

That is exactly what I am saying. The majority of hobbyists would also agree with that.

When it come to SAFE GFE (Which you keep omitting from your posts), GFE or PSE, although it stands for "Experience" they are associated with certain services.
Matter of fact many if not all clients who use classifieds or have used classifieds in the past like LL or BP will refer to the above and then add the word services in the end. For eg they will ask the SP "Do you provide GFE services"?
As the services I posted earlier are associated with those experiences the very high majority if not all the times.

Again no one in their right mind would say I am looking for SAFE GFE then expect CIM, just like no one in their right mind would say I am looking for PSE and expect CBJ.
Whether it's a client or an SP whose definition differs from that, they are wrong or doing it purposely.

So when your website describes
GFE Services include
CBJ, DATY, LFK

or

GFE services include
DFK, LFK, CBJ, and Protected DATY

You are incorrect as those are SAFE GFE services which you are classifying as GFE services.

(As always notwithsatnding YMMV cases)

You keep omitting SAFE GFE in all of your posts. The question is do you believe SAFE GFE providers exist?

If yes what does that encompass?

If no what is your reasoning?

Do you believe an SP can provide CBJ to all her clients and be considered a GFE provider?

Completely agree.

A lot of confusion arose when providers who did not provide true GFE came up with the term SAFE GFE, which is actually a contradiction in terms. Think about what GFE means. It means the types of things that a guy does with his Girlfriend. They French kiss and she gives him a BBBJ (with the occasional exception). So doing CBJ and LFK is not what you get from your girlfriend. I am a safe GFE means that I am not a GFE.

Pretty sure that Phil of TP will back me up but I came up with the term Classic GFE, what GFE originally meant, i.e. DFK, BBBJ DATY.

Since the term GFE has been bastardized and made ambiguous by the prefix of "safe" and can be interpreted different ways, Classic GFE means one thing and one thing only, the triumvirate of sexual services DFK, BBBJ, DATY.