’15 Days To Slow the Spread’: On the Fourth Anniversary, a Reminder to Never Give Politicians That Power Again

[Tinmachine]

No and after deciphering your post my response is a lefty will go with the science and the experts, not what twats say on social media after finishing unplugging Martha's toilet.

"...a lefty will go with the science and the experts"
You've proven my pt exactly

 

[Jubee]

There is data. You can look it up. Yes, older people were more vulnerable particularly Americans. But you can't just declare it was something else. I know how science works. I know the strengths, weaknesses, and limits of all sorts of data. So I can tell when someone doesn't know science. Many people who comment on covid clearly don't know science or how it actually works.
Look up the excess deaths. What caused that well outside the range rate? Why did all these extra people die? A rash of heart attacks? Tuberculosis?
That's my point. There is a concerted effort to bury this. Same thing happened in 1920 w the Spanish flu.

I know quite a few elderly who refused to get it and guess what? They're still around, living their retired lives that they intended to. Whereas two of their friends had heart attacks and died, one within two weeks of getting the first booster and the other I think five days, but definitely not over a week.

 

[kherg007]

I know quite a few elderly who refused to get it and guess what? They're still around, living their retired lives that they intended to. Whereas two of their friends had heart attacks and died, one within two weeks of getting the first booster and the other I think five days, but definitely not over a week.

Anecdotes can be helpful, but they can also be misleading and are considered the worst form of evidence. For example, I knew someone who tried a coke zero for the first time and later that day started feeling crook and came down with covid and had to be in hospital.
Proof?

 

[Jubee]

Anecdotes can be helpful, but they can also be misleading and are considered the worst form of evidence. For example, I knew someone who tried a coke zero for the first time and later that day started feeling crook and came down with covid and had to be in hospital.
Proof?

There's a few of us posting that are clean.

 

[Valcazar]

What we need is an honest look at this again. No conspiracy nuts, just scientists of all pov's and administrators so as to learn what to do next time, as there will be a next time.

Yes, but that's going to be very hard because there is a group actively working against any such honest work.

 

[Valcazar]

There is data. You can look it up. Yes, older people were more vulnerable particularly Americans. But you can't just declare it was something else. I know how science works. I know the strengths, weaknesses, and limits of all sorts of data. So I can tell when someone doesn't know science. Many people who comment on covid clearly don't know science or how it actually works.
Look up the excess deaths. What caused that well outside the range rate? Why did all these extra people die? A rash of heart attacks? Tuberculosis?
That's my point. There is a concerted effort to bury this. Same thing happened in 1920 w the Spanish flu.

I don't think the 1920 flu was buried in the same way.
You have to separate the natural tendency to memory hole it and move on from the active desire to lie and misinform people about what actually happened.

The 1920 pandemic got forgotten and people moved on, but I don' t think there was ever an organized campaign to pretend it didn't happen and stop the government from taking steps to prevent something similar in the future.

 

[basketcase]

I don't think the 1920 flu was buried in the same way.
You have to separate the natural tendency to memory hole it and move on from the active desire to lie and misinform people about what actually happened.

The 1920 pandemic got forgotten and people moved on, but I don' t think there was ever an organized campaign to pretend it didn't happen and stop the government from taking steps to prevent something similar in the future.

The Spanish flu was subject to military censorship as none of the combatants wanting it getting out how how weakened their forces were so I would expect the limited coverage in the news would make an impact on public perception. That and the traditional desire to blame things on other countries.

The lack of an internet probably did mean that the conspiracy nuts couldn't find each other and just moved on with their lives though.

 

[The Oracle]

 

[roddermac]

He would have probably backed down on pushing/enforcing the vaccine. All is political for Trump. And all is about crushing his opponents. He does not give a shit about human health, human life, or anything that happens to you. Only himself matters. In his psychopathic mind, we are nothing. He wanted the vaccine in America to win a battle. That's all.

So then why did Joe Biden and every other Democrap force it upon Americans. You say Trump doesn't give a shit bout anyone but himself. Who do his nay sayers give a shit about.

 

[jalimon]

So then why did Joe Biden and every other Democrap force it upon Americans. You say Trump doesn't give a shit bout anyone but himself. Who do his nay sayers give shit about.

because the vaccine worked. It make ppl less sick. Avoid hospital. Diminishing the burden in hospitals so things could go back to normal. It's called science.

without vaccination many of us wouldn't be here. We would have died of polio. And/or many other diseases...

Back to Trump... he's a sick prick who only value his ego. Maybe a bit his trophy wife he bought. But he is upset his son his taller then him.

 

[roddermac]

because the vaccine worked. It make ppl less sick. Avoid hospital. Diminishing the burden in hospitals so things could go back to normal. It's called science.

without vaccination many of us wouldn't be here. We would have died of polio. And/or many other diseases...

Back to Trump... he's a sick prick who only value his ego. Maybe a bit his trophy wife he bought. But he is upset his son his taller then him.

So what you're saying is that Trump funded a life saving vaccine. He's hero then.

 

[jalimon]

So what you're saying is that Trump funded a life saving vaccine. He's hero then.

He didn’t technically funded it. He bought doses for a billion dollar. To make sure america would first get the vaccine. But yeah i must agree it was an important decision that save a lot of people.

And as much as i hate Trump he did day people should get vaccinated.

 

[Valcazar]

The Spanish flu was subject to military censorship as none of the combatants wanting it getting out how how weakened their forces were so I would expect the limited coverage in the news would make an impact on public perception. That and the traditional desire to blame things on other countries.

The lack of an internet probably did mean that the conspiracy nuts couldn't find each other and just moved on with their lives though.

It is the cultural impact post-pandemic that I'm talking about.
There was no concerted attempt to insist it didn't happen in the first place.
Did the wartime censorship help with the general forgetting? Probably.
But the fading of that flu from public attention over the decades is very different from the push to insist COVID never really happened, IMO.

 

[Valcazar]

So what you're saying is that Trump funded a life saving vaccine. He's hero then.

He could have been, but by the time the vaccine came out, his base had already turned against it and he isn't going to fight for credit for that.