According to whom??
That's the popular narrative. Can you specify or show what guarantees you're talking about?
Angela Merkel admitted on camera that Minsk agreement was meant to buy time. Neither Ukraine nor Europe intended to obide by it.
Russia willing to offer written security guarantees to Europe - Putin
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That's the popular narrative. Can you specify or show what guarantees you're talking about?
Angela Merkel admitted on camera that Minsk agreement was meant to buy time. Neither Ukraine nor Europe intended to obide by it.
Absolutely, everything would be different from no stupid tariffs on the scale imposed by Trump, lower inflation, keep The Affordable Healthcare as a priority, and full support for Ukraine in its war against Russia!!
But once again, also no corruption on the scale of Trump with his conflict of interest with the Crypto Currency, Kushner Billions of dollars from the Saudi Government, and nothing to hide from the Epstein Files.......Maybe now you get it. Not sure what else needs to be answered!!
Worst strike is like a handful of dead. Surely you realize Russia can launch FAR deadlier strikes if they wanted to.
Let's keep on topic shall we...What does full support for Ukraine look like?
Cause they're running out of troops...Do you want American boots on the ground?
If I remember correctly Biden was heard yelling at Zelensky during one of his loot begging calls.
Ukraine was doing really well against Russia under Biden. Trump stopped all the support for Ukraine, and that is when the Russians started prevailing.
But are you not aware that there are North Korean troops on the ground for Russia?
Is it okay for them to be involved. Of course The Russians are not succeeding as it was supposed to be a two week Special Military Mission according to Putin.
All Trump has done is to alienate The USA from other NATO members that are still supporting Ukraine. Can you not comprehend that simple fact?
But of course when Trump's other skeletons are mentioned, you as his cult follower has your feathers really ruffled, and then bring up the usual "Keep on topic" jargon!!
Next time come up with a more specific question!!
Who was it that made the deal with Ukraine where they dismantled their nukes and the US said they'd be protected?
I mean this gently, but How is a clear direct statement a salad or a slogan?
Russia guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for giving up its nukes.
If the U.S. ever withdraws its military presence in Germany it will
remove the nuclear bombs stored in the Buchel airbase there as
well. Those nukes belong to the U.S. not to the host Germany. Likewise
nuclear missiles in Ukraine from the Soviet era were stationed there
under Soviet Russia. They were no more properties of an independent
Ukraine than the U.S. nuclear weapons are of Germany.
remove the nuclear bombs stored in the Buchel airbase there as
well. Those nukes belong to the U.S. not to the host Germany. Likewise
nuclear missiles in Ukraine from the Soviet era were stationed there
under Soviet Russia. They were no more properties of an independent
Ukraine than the U.S. nuclear weapons are of Germany.
First of all, you're moving goal post. Your original statement is about Putin providing guarantees and failing to deliver. Last time I checked he hasn't a president in a period from 1991-2000.
Now let's expand of Russia-Ukraine guarantees. You can't just use one element out of multiple agreements.
When Ukraine announced it was separating from Soviet Union and becoming independent, it was UK and US, along with Russia who said Ukraine cannot become an independent state while being in possession of nuclear weapons. Giving up nuclear weapons was a prerequisite to being recognized as an independent country. 1994 Budapest memorandum was a part in a long chain.
Ukraine also signed a 1997 Big Treaty with Russia. It stipulated that Ukraine will refrain from participating in, or supporting, any actions directed against the other Party, and shall not conclude any treaties with third countries against the other Party. Neither Party shall allow its territory to be used to the detriment of the security of the other Party.
This provision became highly relevant to the discussions about NATO military exercises and foreign military infrastructure on Ukrainian soil. Russia argued that allowing Western military activity on its border threatened Russian security.
After the 2008 Bucharest Summit (where NATO declared that Ukraine will become a member), Russia considered this a direct and existential violation of the 1997 treaty's spirit and letter.
Ukraine broke KEY agreements long before 2014 COUP financed and organized by the West.
I respectfully submit that it seems you trust Putin. I don't. Thus we'll have to disagree.
I see his "honor" - i see him he honorably poisoning opponents, throwing people out windows, and invading other countries and targeting civilians and hospitals and schools. War crimes. You can trust an evil person like that. I won't now or forever.
Ps I'm opposed to USA war crimes too, like blowing up the shipwrecked people. And I don't trust Trump either.
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I appreciate the fact you answer respectfully. However, you don't seem to acknowledge anything I wrote. Everything in my previous statement is easily verifiable and has nothing to do with trust in any particular leader of a country.
Ukraine broke agreements it's sovereignty depended on. Now, they're dealing with consequences.
