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G7 statement acknowledges the need to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and explicitly supports Israel’s right to defend itself

whynot888

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Whether you think Israel did anything to provoke an attack or not is not the point.
Your comment in reference to 400,000 deaths in Gaza was in relation to numbers, not motive.

So here's my question again, at that moment when only 500,000 Jews were killed in concentration camps, are you saying there was no Holocaust taking place?
Sorry, my bad. Not 400k, should be around 55k according to Gaza health officials.
No genocide with those numbers
 

WyattEarp

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I am pretty sure Russia and China have Diego Garcia under constant surveillance, they will give Iran the heads up when they launch
What are the Iranians going to do?
The Iranian skies are controlled by Israel.
 

nottyboi

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What are the Iranians going to do?
The Iranian skies are controlled by Israel.
There you go, believing Bibi again. Do you remotely understand how far Iran is from Israel and what kind of logistics would be required to maintain an air dominance presence over all of Iranian airspace? They are using LRSAM missiles and not flying in Iranian airspace.
 

dirtydaveiii

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What are the Iranians going to do?
The Iranian skies are controlled by Israel.
The divided states of America is quickly becoming North Korea 2.0. Kim and TACO could be considered twins when it comes to haircuts and policy
 

WyattEarp

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The divided states of America is quickly becoming North Korea 2.0. Kim and TACO could be considered twins when it comes to haircuts and policy
I'm not sure of the progression of your thought from my original post.
 
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WyattEarp

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There you go, believing Bibi again. Do you remotely understand how far Iran is from Israel and what kind of logistics would be required to maintain an air dominance presence over all of Iranian airspace? They are using LRSAM missiles and not flying in Iranian airspace.
Then somebody's spreading propaganda here. I'm betting that it's not me.
 

nottyboi

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Then somebody's spreading propaganda here. I'm betting that it's not me.
I don't get it from mass media I see what weapons experts and designers are saying on the matter. If Israel had air supremicy over Iran they would be dropping JDAM and not wasting expensive missiles. The combat radius of the F-35 is less the 700 nautical miles. whille Iran is over 2000 nautical miles away. So getting those planes even to the point they can launch a JASSM-ER requires massive tanker support.
 

WyattEarp

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I don't get it from mass media I see what weapons experts and designers are saying on the matter. If Israel had air supremicy over Iran they would be dropping JDAM and not wasting expensive missiles. The combat radius of the F-35 is less the 700 nautical miles. whille Iran is over 2000 nautical miles away. So getting those planes even to the point they can launch a JASSM-ER requires massive tanker support.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but mass media has propaganda arms whether deliberately or inadvertently. The war in Ukraine is a perfect example of misinformation being spread from both sides of the spectrum.

You can believe you have expert sources but even relatively neutral "experts" are in search of an audience. If you think Iran is putting up a great defense, that's your prerogative.

It would appear to many the ball is in Israel's court and the U.S. as well. How much damage do they want to do to Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure? Do they want to risk incidentally toppling the regime? You might very well have a similar dynamic like Iraq where the military's support for the Iranian regime is only surface deep.

PS- You have to wonder how Israel's intelligence inside Iran is so good.
 
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I'm not trying to be argumentative but mass media has propaganda arms whether deliberately or inadvertently. The war in Ukraine is a perfect example of misinformation being spread from both sides of the spectrum.

You can believe you have expert sources but even relatively neutral "experts" are in search of an audience. If you think Iran is putting up a great defense, that's your prerogative.

It would appear to many the ball is in Israel's court and the U.S. as well. How much damage do they want to do to Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure? Do they want to risk incidentally toppling the regime? You might very well have a similar dynamic like Iraq where the military's support for the Iranian regime is only surface deep.

PS- You have to wonder how Israel's intelligence inside Iran is so good.
All countries at war try to control the media, Israel even more than Russia and Ukraine and likely Iran now.
The bigger question is why anyone would support a genocidal nation aggressively trying to start what could be WWIII over this years WMD bullshit.

The Lemkin Institude just warned the G7 that may be liable for aiding genocide.

 

nottyboi

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I'm not trying to be argumentative but mass media has propaganda arms whether deliberately or inadvertently. The war in Ukraine is a perfect example of misinformation being spread from both sides of the spectrum.

You can believe you have expert sources but even relatively neutral "experts" are in search of an audience. If you think Iran is putting up a great defense, that's your prerogative.

It would appear to many the ball is in Israel's court and the U.S. as well. How much damage do they want to do to Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure? Do they want to risk incidentally toppling the regime? You might very well have a similar dynamic like Iraq where the military's support for the Iranian regime is only surface deep.

PS- You have to wonder how Israel's intelligence inside Iran is so good.
The goal here is to topple the Iranians regime, and yes, it could happen. Iran is full of foreign agents and has had many major counter intelligence failures The fact that so many of their leadership were killed is evidence of this and the US has the leader in waiting in the form of the Shahs son. So it is possible it could succeed, Iran could still hold together, it could get a new govt via coup or devolve into chaos like Libya. The last 2 are desirable for the USA and Israel. No air defense is airtight. We shall see how Israel performs in the next few days. If they succeed in killing Khamanei then a coup may be likely. Also no one is sure how many missiles Iran has, and how long it can sustain this Israels AD can last on 2 weeks at this intensity. So its a good 'ol shoot out at the OK corral. ME style.
 
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richaceg

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I don't get it from mass media I see what weapons experts and designers are saying on the matter. If Israel had air supremicy over Iran they would be dropping JDAM and not wasting expensive missiles. The combat radius of the F-35 is less the 700 nautical miles. whille Iran is over 2000 nautical miles away. So getting those planes even to the point they can launch a JASSM-ER requires massive tanker support.
What you fail to understand is Israel isn't bombing all of Iran, they are pinpointing targets...Iran on the other hand has no specific target other than the entire Israel. So far Israel has successfully carried out maximum damage to their specific targets...
 
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