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Skoob

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I responded to quip about J6 protesters' masks. Are you trying a find a pathway to other arguments?

In any event, if ICE isn't deporting as many as under Biden in the first five months I am confused as to why the left is losing their shit over deportations. This suggestion will likely go to no avail, but trying thinking through what you are reading. Understand the author's bias and whether their logic holds beyond meaningless rhetoric and is it worth repeating.
Wasn't Obama known as the "Deporter In-Chief"? Holds the record for deportations I believe.

But I guess he spoke eloquently when kicking people out so everyone is ok with that.
 

WyattEarp

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Wasn't Obama known as the "Deporter In-Chief"? Holds the record for deportations I believe.

But I guess he spoke eloquently when kicking people out so everyone is ok with that.
There's a lot of drama that plays out on mainstream media and social media.
 

Butler1000

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As I said, your mixed bag of everything just gets bigger and bigger. A lot the problems and challenges are global in nature and may even impact Canada and Europe harder. Canadians are now every well of the stagnation that has existed at a macro level. This just doesn't just affect incomes. It affects the government's ability to fund social welfare programs.

It's okay for disagreement. Turning your arguments always into a kitchen sink approach is a quick way to mask the matter at hand. The immigration protests offer no bridge to other societal grievances. Attempts to do so will lack focus and clarity. This only will hurt the Democrats particularly those who don't choose their battles wisely.
I am discussing what is fueling the protests. Imo it isn't just this one issue. It is a growing discontent. And these things can evolve.

We are at what, 5 days now? Curfews? Marines? Mass arrests? And they appear to be spreading.

The recent polling does indeed show a slight majority approve of deportations. However what is also in the tabs is how the American people are disapproving of HOW they are going about it. And WHO they are targeting.

They are not targeting criminals and leeches. They are targeting workplaces. And doing so in a heavy handed way with marked up, no names, camo wearing personal. Using unmarked vehicles and snatching up on the street. There is footage of them snatching mom's and leaving kids behind now.

The story is the Trump administration wants to suspend habeas corpus. Is this something, along with what's going on, the actual how, that you approve of?
 

WyattEarp

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I am discussing what is fueling the protests. Imo it isn't just this one issue. It is a growing discontent. And these things can evolve.

We are at what, 5 days now? Curfews? Marines? Mass arrests? And they appear to be spreading.

The recent polling does indeed show a slight majority approve of deportations. However what is also in the tabs is how the American people are disapproving of HOW they are going about it. And WHO they are targeting.

They are not targeting criminals and leeches. They are targeting workplaces. And doing so in a heavy handed way with marked up, no names, camo wearing personal. Using unmarked vehicles and snatching up on the street. There is footage of them snatching mom's and leaving kids behind now.

The story is the Trump administration wants to suspend habeas corpus. Is this something, along with what's going on, the actual how, that you approve of?
You're taking the discussion to more and more avenues.

If you think that things are so bad in the U.S. and all these grievance groups will band together to fuel general unrest, that's your opinion.
 
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Butler1000

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You're taking the discussion to more and more avenues.

If you think that things are so bad in the U.S. and all these grievance groups will band together to fuel general unrest, that's your opinion.
I'm not sure if band together is the correct term. I think when grievances against the govt continue to grow so will unrest. This summer we shall see. But next summer could be a rough one.
 

Butler1000

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How dare you deport our indentured servants!
That, along with the end of numerous white collar jobs due to AI, will force college grads into some of those jobs.

Have a financial indentured class will work too I suppose.
 

jalimon

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I responded to quip about J6 protesters' masks. Are you trying a find a pathway to other arguments?

In any event, if ICE isn't deporting as many as under Biden in the first five months I am confused as to why the left is losing their shit over deportations. This suggestion will likely go to no avail, but trying thinking through what you are reading. Understand the author's bias and whether their logic holds beyond meaningless rhetoric and is it worth repeating.
It's possible to deport illegals without creating chaos and without the whole world now avoiding the US. Obama did it. Biden did it. But Trump likes chaos. Dictators dictate by terror, fear, and chaos.

Besides that... beside being greedy, extremely ugly, uncultured, and fat, Trump's all right.
 

Butler1000

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I think this works in Trump's favour.

Americans losing their jobs or having a hard time paying bills are not going to side with illegals.

The last thing a citizen wants to do is compete for work against illegals when times get tough.

In Canada we have mass legal immigration and nobody wants it, other than the government.
Because they want to work as under the table dishwashers, landscapers, sewers, cleaning hotel rooms and offices?
 

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Trump's biggest obstacle is political. When you have governors like Newsom who want to defy immigration laws, it creates an environment where rioters think they can run amok without consequences.

In an alternate universe where immigration laws were respected (the way they are in most countries in the world other than the USA), all governors and mayors would be supporting Trump's effort and local law enforcement would be squashing rioters left and right.
Trump's biggest obstacles are his rhetoric, heavy handed approach, scattershot policy making, TACO reputation, and lack of compassion.
 
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WyattEarp

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Trump's biggest obstacle is political. When you have governors like Newsom who want to defy immigration laws, it creates an environment where rioters think they can run amok without consequences.

In an alternate universe where immigration laws were respected (the way they are in most countries in the world other than the USA), all governors and mayors would be supporting Trump's effort and local law enforcement would be squashing rioters left and right.
It's not just the concept of "sanctuary" cities and states. It's offering illegal immigrants aid and assistance. California is one the most generous jurisdictions towards migrants illegal or legal if not the most. It certainly sends mixed messages to migrants. Obviously, the U.S. Federal government sets immigration policy and determines who can enter and stay.
 
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Trump's biggest obstacles are his rhetoric, heavy handed approach, scattershot policy making, TACO reputation, and lack of compassion.
I would add thereto: his lower than average IQ, senility, mental deterioration and massive corruption.

And the fact he chooses his staff from ass licking shit-slurpers rather than qualified people.
 
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