Trump deploys National Guard.

Butler1000

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At first, I thought you were merely a gadfly in the ointment. It can be interesting and you can offer alternative insights.

However, you have to be careful to not to throw out too many ideas that don't hold well together. Sure on social media, you will find people on both the left and the right who will simply nod along. Yeah, that's right.

Change is always going to be bad for someone. I was reading your first point that illegal immigration is part of the business model. I don't see why anything illegal has to be permanently and unofficially in code. Yeah, I know contractors who do very well that know how to tap into a steady stream of illegal migrant workers. There is an informal network in place.

If you think about economics objectively, no industry will be completely screwed. You can predict wages in sectors will go up. Industries under strain (i.e. agriculture) will lobby for temporary work visas. Will profit margins be reduced? Of course. In the short run, most certainly. If you built a business with illegal migrant labor, you were likely able to make some decent money.

When the economy changes as it always does, it's impossible to predict where supply, demand and profits will be in the future. Here's a point. The hospitality industry will adapt. Countries where the minimum wage is comparably high with tight migration have restaurants that don't offer table service in even mid-level establishments. It's obvious that many uber and taxi drivers are immigrants. Fares will go up. Technology might make drivers a moot point. The economy is always changing, innovating and adapting.

In the U.S. we are accustomed to a high level of service because as you pointed out so eloquently we have always had low wage, black market labor. Most Americans don't think that needs to be or should be informally codified. Then you can break your argument down with numbers. What is the correct number of immigrants? Did the U.S. need ten million more people come through the Southern border over the last four years. Before that, empirically wages for low-skilled were going up before that (I think that's good, yes?). There didn't seem to be any major sticking points in the labor market. I think it's healthier for the economy to have some competition for labor at all levels.

Lastly, you're forgetting that the workers in ag, hospitality, drivers etc. are not planning to stay put. They're going to try to move into better paying jobs competing with the very people many here claim to support.

To paraphrase a famous singer-songwriter, all we are saying is give restricting the supply of labor a chance.
As I said. You are, imo, not looking at the Macro.

Couple this with AI killing entry level white collar jobs and numerous mid level ones. Tariffs killing several small e commerce business models. Border controls hurting tourism. Inflation, stagflation, high interest, a real estate crisis looming, a debt crisis, both student loan and credit card looming. Higher prices due to tariffs and businesses taking advantage of this to rise domestic pricing on locally produced goods. A population now possibly where 4 generations, starting with Gen X, and definitely after, that are worse off than their parents.

Now mix in a consumer confidence drop, resulting in a downward spiral of discretionary spending by those that might waver either way normally, a bill that is trying to kill Medicaid and social services for the most vulnerable, a continuing drug crisis, and the perception growing in the populace of an indifferent and arguably hostile administration hell bent on harming them. Increasing military use and threats to use more. A surveillance state that more people are waking up too.

And that's just the domestic. Internationally the question of the USA as the reserve currency in the face of isolationism, trade wars that with cause longer term supply chain problems, and TACO which means a loss of prestige for the office in ALL things.

It is imo a powder keg years in the making. Awaiting the match. Maybe this year maybe next, but somehow I don't think the promise of a midterms correction will be enough.
 

WyattEarp

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Stop the perspective Wyatt. You are constantly trying to put perspective to a complete moron who is fooling you in the ass all day, every day.
Sorry bud, you were making a quip related to J6 protesters wearing masks. Given many LA protesters are wearing masks, I am merely pointing out the lack of perspective.

The other thing that many of the LA protesters have in common with some of the J6 crowd is a penchant for flamboyant costumes. I remember when protesters just had signs and chants. Now it seems protesters want to put on a spectacle. Perhaps they want to be on camera.
 

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The only connectivity is the radical left shows up for all these shindigs. I've heard Antifa is present in L.A. This is a micro segment of the population not a microcosm of the population.

By shining a light on L.A. Trump who tends to view the Democrats as hostile adversaries has put them in a box. Public sentiment is not with the protesters. Democrats like Newsom have to decide to alienate the far left or more mainstream voters. It's a real devil's choice for a Democratic politician.

You are correct there will be many protests this summer. There would have been regardless. The radical left has decided if they don't get there way at the ballot box they will rage. I don't think the protests are helping whatever cause the protesters are championing.
Speartip. Imo more is coming. Of course it won't be the entire population suddenly rising up. Most people can't afford to be arrested, seen on social media, have families.

My question is, what happens when they don't feel they have anything to lose. This reaction to protests is extreme. Threatening using 700 Marines? That's panicking imo.
 
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You say this like there is something wrong with this. I was thinking about a Diet Coke and cheeseburger along with some TV tonight. 😋

Hey, weren't you the guy who last year was saying having a cabal running the country was a good thing? Yeah, bet you weren't thinking that they were feeding Joe tapioca while another one was in the Oval Office with the autopen. ;)
You miss the point. The point is, Trump is super happy about the protest in California. He is ecstatic because his tariffs are an absolute catastrophe, tourism is down 60%, ICE is not even deporting faster then Biden was after 5 months, Musk turned on him, the Jet gift from the Muslim was not very well received.... So far he is a fucking disaster. So of course the California situation is giving him a big fucking smile and he won't miss that.
 

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You miss the point. The point is, Trump is super happy about the protest in California. He is ecstatic because his tariffs are an absolute catastrophe, tourism is down 60%, ICE is not even deporting faster then Biden was after 5 months, Musk turned on him, the Jet gift from the Muslim was not very well received.... So far he is a fucking disaster. So of course the California situation is giving him a big fucking smile and he won't miss that.
Created the problem to deflect from other issues. Blue state vengeance . When he sees people peacefully standing around with Mexican flags for days, and burning a couple of cars, and otherwise being perfectly harmless he stages an insurrection crisis. National Guard. US marines. Jan 6th real insurrection watched tv and ate popcorn. For those interested enough you can watch Erin Burnet in a helmet day after day on CNN giving a minute-by-minute coverage of nothing.
 

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The only connectivity is the radical left shows up for all these shindigs. I've heard Antifa is present in L.A. This is a micro segment of the population not a microcosm of the population.

By shining a light on L.A. Trump who tends to view the Democrats as hostile adversaries has put them in a box. Public sentiment is not with the protesters. Democrats like Newsom have to decide to alienate the far left or more mainstream voters. It's a real devil's choice for a Democratic politician.

You are correct there will be many protests this summer. There would have been regardless. The radical left has decided if they don't get there way at the ballot box they will rage. I don't think the protests are helping whatever cause the protesters are championing.
You show a fundamental misunderstanding of the american economy and reality.

The US is a settler colonialist empire, but its global empire is fading and it relies heavily on cheap, undocumented immigrant workers with no rights to do the work americans don't want to anymore. California, Texas and Florida rely the most heavily on cheap, imported workers that trump now wants to ban. MAGA has a massive conflict with the billionaire/oligarch class on this issue, billionaires just want cheap labour and don't care who it is but the base sees them as competitors even though they take jobs they never would. trump rose to power by riding economic anger of the disappearing middle class by misdirecting it as racism, but that's pissing of the real people with money now at the same time its pissing off his base.

The MAGA base is starting to realize that trump's racism won't bring back the good old days, all they get is cuts to social services.

There are 1500 protests against trump planned this weekend. You would term the half of the country that doesn't back trump as 'radical left'.

 

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Trump is the greatest human being on planet Earth. That's the problem, he's not Apollo. His health is deteriorating fast, he may be in a wheelchair by the end of the year. Will he dress up like General Patton for his glorious military parade.

 
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Insidious Von

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Why is The King of Kings wasting resources on LA when he needs to help his Immortal Beloved against Ukraine's vampire cadres?

 

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Trump is the greatest human being on planet Earth. That's the problem, he's not Apollo. His health is deteriorating fast, he may be in a wheelchair by the end of the year. Will he dress up like General Patton for his glorious military parade.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Insidious Von

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Like Gene Hackman, George C Scott was an ex-Marine. Like Hackman, his counselor advised him to take up acting to help him integrate into society. Trump would be terrified of him, I hope he steals his regails for his glorious birthday parade.

 

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Imagine thinking it's a flex to torch a city while waving a foreign flag... the flag of a country that they're fighting to NOT be deported to.

Let's go to Mexico and start waving Canadian flags, destroying property, demanding to be able to stay illegally and see what they do.

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Half of Canada thinks Israel is committing the genocide that trump and the US are funding.
Backing genocide, tax breaks for the rich and ICE kidnappings is killing trump at the polls.



 

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As I said. You are, imo, not looking at the Macro.

Couple this with AI killing entry level white collar jobs and numerous mid level ones. Tariffs killing several small e commerce business models. Border controls hurting tourism. Inflation, stagflation, high interest, a real estate crisis looming, a debt crisis, both student loan and credit card looming. Higher prices due to tariffs and businesses taking advantage of this to rise domestic pricing on locally produced goods. A population now possibly where 4 generations, starting with Gen X, and definitely after, that are worse off than their parents.

Now mix in a consumer confidence drop, resulting in a downward spiral of discretionary spending by those that might waver either way normally, a bill that is trying to kill Medicaid and social services for the most vulnerable, a continuing drug crisis, and the perception growing in the populace of an indifferent and arguably hostile administration hell bent on harming them. Increasing military use and threats to use more. A surveillance state that more people are waking up too.

And that's just the domestic. Internationally the question of the USA as the reserve currency in the face of isolationism, trade wars that with cause longer term supply chain problems, and TACO which means a loss of prestige for the office in ALL things.

It is imo a powder keg years in the making. Awaiting the match. Maybe this year maybe next, but somehow I don't think the promise of a midterms correction will be enough.
As I said, your mixed bag of everything just gets bigger and bigger. A lot the problems and challenges are global in nature and may even impact Canada and Europe harder. Canadians are now every well of the stagnation that has existed at a macro level. This just doesn't just affect incomes. It affects the government's ability to fund social welfare programs.

It's okay for disagreement. Turning your arguments always into a kitchen sink approach is a quick way to mask the matter at hand. The immigration protests offer no bridge to other societal grievances. Attempts to do so will lack focus and clarity. This only will hurt the Democrats particularly those who don't choose their battles wisely.
 

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You miss the point. The point is, Trump is super happy about the protest in California. He is ecstatic because his tariffs are an absolute catastrophe, tourism is down 60%, ICE is not even deporting faster then Biden was after 5 months, Musk turned on him, the Jet gift from the Muslim was not very well received.... So far he is a fucking disaster. So of course the California situation is giving him a big fucking smile and he won't miss that.
I responded to quip about J6 protesters' masks. Are you trying a find a pathway to other arguments?

In any event, if ICE isn't deporting as many as under Biden in the first five months I am confused as to why the left is losing their shit over deportations. This suggestion will likely go to no avail, but trying thinking through what you are reading. Understand the author's bias and whether their logic holds beyond meaningless rhetoric and is it worth repeating.
 
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