Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029 :Heart Attack:

[bver_hunter]

Climate change IS NOT a result of human emissions. Climate has always changed and in many cases much more rapidly than present day. We are in a period of relative climate stability. The only thing we can do as humans is adapt and mitigate the effects of climate catastrophes as best as possible. Running up huge deficits and debt and quantitative easing are NOT conducive to that.

All I can say is that I will go according to the actual research and studies by reputable Scientists that Human Emissions has proven that the following four gases are major contributors to the Greenhouse Effects of Climate Change:

Carbon Dioxide, Methane, Nitrous Oxide, and Chlorofluorocarbons

So the sooner we address this fact the more concise will be the prevention of the Global Atmosphere as well as Ocean warming.
Pulling out of the likes of The Paris Accord only delays a Worldwide co-operation in this respect!!

 

[DesRicardo]

The Conservatives are not to be trusted in anyway. They will push Canada into a deeper recession no doubt!!

Crooked Carney will sell Canada out and create big deficits to give his buddies fat contracts.

He will rob Canada of any wealth remaining. Which is not much after 10 years of your failed leader Trudeau.

 

[Skoob]

The buck stops with the Prime Minister.
So yes, the PM chooses people within his party that execute his agenda and policies.
They are not a hive mind.
Going by your rule atleast a minority of the CPC are extreme far right.
That means everyone including Pierre share those beliefs. Right?
So we should not vote them in.
Either way you lose this argument. lmao.

Its the same cabinet Trudeau had! OMFG the brainwashing with you is extreme!

They've actually convinced you that the last 10 years didn't happen, and now substituted "the problem" with an un-elected multi-national PM who moved his own business to the US and his money offshore.

If the Conservatives did that you would be having a stroke and burning even more cars than you are burning now!

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Its the same cabinet Trudeau had! OMFG the brainwashing with you is extreme!

They've actually convinced you that the last 10 years didn't happen, and now substituted "the problem" with an un-elected multi-national PM who moved his own business to the US and his money offshore.

If the Conservatives did that you would be having a stroke and burning even more cars than you are burning now!

The cabinet was never an issue.
The Liberal party was never an issue.
The businessman doing business was never an issue.
You are trying to blow up non-issues that were always considered non issues.
The issues were with Trudeau.
Most Canadian Liberals were voting against Trudeau, not against the Liberal party, or the cabinet or anything else..
Also we are selecting the next government and we dont yet know who the cabinet will be under Carney.

 

[Skoob]

The cabinet was never an issue.
The Liberal party was never an issue.
The businessman doing business was never an issue.
You are trying to blow up non-issues that were always considered non issues.
The issues were with Trudeau.
Most Canadian Liberals were voting against Trudeau, not against the Liberal party, or the cabinet or anything else..
Also we are selecting the next government and we dont yet know who the cabinet will be under Carney.

You don't even know you are brainwashed.
A decade of propping up Trudeau and now suddenly "he was the problem"???? Wow!
Like I said, if the Conservatives pulled what the Liberal party has done, all the while with no parliament in session, you would be storming the capital in your flaming Tesla.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You don't even know you are brainwashed.
A decade of propping up Trudeau and now suddenly "he was the problem"???? Wow!
Like I said, if the Conservatives pulled what the Liberal party has done, all the while with no parliament in session, you would be storming the capital in your flaming Tesla.

The fact that the moment Trudeau stepped down, the Libs took the lead in the polls suggests that voters were voting against Trudeau and not so much against the Liberal party.

 

[Butler1000]

When there was $8.5 billion losses in Canada due to Climate Change in 2024, that was triple what it was in 2023, we know that the Conservative plan is just very hollow.
Especially, when the Carbon Tax did reduce the emissions and the credits going directly to the medium and lower incomes helped to address their increased expenditures from this tax!!
The Tax Credits to businesses is from our taxes, otherwise how are they going to fund these businesses?

So despite years of the tax, it still tripled?

Doesn't sound like it did anything but allow polluters to pollute.

 

[HungSowel]

Tax credits to businesses who improve their infrastructure to be more green. In other words stop charging poor people and go after real polluters with a carrot instead of a stick.

Is that part of PP's announced plan? The CPC decided in 2018/2019 that climate change was not real and did not have to be addressed, and that position has not changed since, so why would the conservatives do jack all for green shit?

 

[Butler1000]

Is that part of PP's announced plan? The CPC decided in 2018/2019 that climate change was not real and did not have to be addressed, and that position has not changed since, so why would the conservatives do jack all for green shit?

He, he announced it.

Which proves a point that you are making assumptions and not doing research or paying attention.

 

[bver_hunter]

Crooked Carney will sell Canada out and create big deficits to give his buddies fat contracts.

He will rob Canada of any wealth remaining. Which is not much after 10 years of your failed leader Trudeau.

Like crooked Pee Pee is any better. He and his deputy have criticized Brookfield, but have investments in that Company.
Carney will steer Canada at this very challenging times, thanks to Trump's retarded tariffs.
Canada's economy is in better shape then it was in 2015, when the Conservatives left office. Harper screwed up the economy and left Canada still in a recession when he left office.
At least Canada were lucky to have The Liberals during the Pandemic as it was handled more responsibly than that of our neighbours down South!!

 

[bver_hunter]

So despite years of the tax, it still tripled?

Doesn't sound like it did anything but allow polluters to pollute.

Do you think that it requires a magic wand to make Climate Change go overnight?
We know that polluters around the Globe had the green signal to keep on polluting when the USA pulled out of the Paris Accord!!
Unless we all take action NOW, no doubt that we will go from the frying pan into the fire.
Otherwise, why did the Big Oil Corporations who did the Research tying up the emissions to Climate Change then decide to hide it under wraps?

 

[Butler1000]

Do you think that it requires a magic wand to make Climate Change go overnight?
We know that polluters around the Globe had the green signal to keep on polluting when the USA pulled out of the Paris Accord!!
Unless we all take action NOW, no doubt that we will go from the frying pan into the fire.
Otherwise, why did the Big Oil Corporations who did the Research tying up the emissions to Climate Change then decide to hide it under wraps?

So, it accomplished nothing? And all you have is deflection of responsibility?

If it works, why did Carney pause it?

 

[bver_hunter]

So, it accomplished nothing? And all you have is deflection of responsibility?

If it works, why did Carney pause it?

See, you wont answer a simple question about why did the Big Oil Corporations hide the Research linking Carbon Emissions to Climate Change?

We know that Pee Pee was good at one thing and that is reaping apart the benefits of the carbon tax. This is in spite of the medium and low income earners getting more in rebates that they will stop receiving. Yet you have not laid out Pee Pee's plan for Climate Change although he pretends that he has an alternative!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe according to alarmists like yourself. But to real scientists who follow the empirical method, it is facts and rational thinking.

The planet has warmed about 1.5ºC and CO2 is at around 430 ppm.
Those are the facts.

That's one third of an 'ice age unit' of temperature.
We are on track for 4ºC warming right now, which means the death of the majority of humans.

 

[Butler1000]

See, you wont answer a simple question about why did the Big Oil Corporations hide the Research linking Carbon Emissions to Climate Change?

We know that Pee Pee was good at one thing and that is reaping apart the benefits of the carbon tax. This is in spite of the medium and low income earners getting more in rebates that they will stop receiving. Yet you have not laid out Pee Pee's plan for Climate Change although he pretends that he has an alternative!!

Again, if it works, why did Carney pause it? It's a very simple question about a core policy Trudeau Liberals had for years you defended.

So why is it suddenly not good policy?

 

[nottyboi]

Again, if it works, why did Carney pause it? It's a very simple question about a core policy Trudeau Liberals had for years you defended.

So why is it suddenly not good policy?

Very simple, PP had riled up people who think like "hey I pay $400 and get 560 back how is that gonna reduce carbon duhhhhh. Why not just let me keep my 400? 🥱 Since no enough people were willing go understand or trust the govt, the political cost became too high. So it was cancelled. Every govt policy has a collateral cost, if that cost becomes too high the policy will be cancelled...EVEN if it is effective. Thats what you call DUMocracy.

 

[nottyboi]

 

[Butler1000]

Very simple, PP had riled up people who think like "hey I pay $400 and get 560 back how is that gonna reduce carbon duhhhhh. Why not just let me keep my 400? 🥱 Since no enough people were willing go understand or trust the govt, the political cost became too high. So it was cancelled. Every govt policy has a collateral cost, if that cost becomes too high the policy will be cancelled...EVEN if it is effective. Thats what you call DUMocracy.

So, it accomplished nothing, because as bver said earlier, it didn't lower things, and now you are telling me we should believe that the dodgy accounting meant people got more?

So what then was the point?

Why not just admit it was shitty policy?

 

[Planner]

We need to spend to create economic value.
On healthcare.
On defence.
On home building.
Cutting taxes for billionaires and corporations like Pierre promises only puts money in the pockets of the rich.
So yes, good plan and good enough to vote in Carney.
Also, all of this is secondary to selecting a government that is ideologically opposed to the one in the US.
Not Pierre who leads a party representing people half of whom are MAGA loving quislings.

Voting for carney is just voting for Justin. Justin hand picked him. They’re both pieces of shit.

 

[Skoob]

The fact that the moment Trudeau stepped down, the Libs took the lead in the polls suggests that voters were voting against Trudeau and not so much against the Liberal party.

No it wasn't the moment Trudeau stepped down. It was almost 3 months later. It was primarily based on the moment Trump said he was imposing tariffs and Carney fooled the Liberal flock into thinking he would shield Canada from any harm if they made him PM even though he wasn't elected and was a multi-national.
It was also the moment Carney started adopting Conservative platform items such as getting rid of the carbon tax, immigration control, etc.