Teslas are Getting Set On Fire Around America

[Valcazar]

Looks like the terrorists caught are going to get 20 years in an El Salvador prison.
I hope everyone who supports these acts of domestic terrorism online end up on watch lists.

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And the legal argument for sending them to El Salvador would be what, exactly?

 

[Frankfooter]

That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that the Trump admin is deliberately conflating both sets of people and I am trying to figure out if you are as well.



Yes.
Which is why I was asking if your intent really is to do so, since that is what you seem to be doing.
This makes it sound like you don't think that should be done.

Which is it?



What the fuck are you talking about?
I haven't argued any such thing.




OK, so are you arguing "no, you shouldn't conflate those two groups" or are you arguing "Peaceful protest is useless, therefore the only valid protest is violent" and if the latter are you arguing "there is only protest and violent or non-violent is irrelevant"?

This is what I am trying to understand about what you are saying in response to my comment that people protesting and boycotting Tesla should not automatically be lumped in with people firebombing or vandalizing Teslas.

It looks like trump/Musk are looking for a Reichstag moment, but whether that will be fires at Tesla dealerships, Israel protests or just protests against the government is almost moot at this point.

Would you argue that everyone should stay home to not give them this opportunity?

 

[jalimon]

Blowing up somebodies property who isn't a threat to you is illogical and illegal.

Want to make a real statement. Go buy a Tesla then blow it up. That I can respect.

Butler's ''patriots'' would never consider that one though, now would they?

Someone enters a school and shuts down 10 kids. The response from Trump is to arm the teacher.

Someone vandalizes a Tesla and he's a terrorist? Get out of here.

 

[Valcazar]

The more they crack down, the more people will rise up. And this is a land of guns. They will come out with them.

And if Trump tries to ban those, it will be over pretty quickly.

You think if Trump tries to ban guns, the government will be overthrown?

 

[Valcazar]

You are still thinking like Chuck Schumer. They aren't, are they?

What the fuck does Chuck Schumer have to do with this conversation?
And who is "they" in this context?

 

[Valcazar]

All they need to do is to get to a point where Dems can be designated as “enemy of the people” and as such they must surrender their guns while MAGA are the good people and they get to keep their guns.

People underestimate how tolerant the public is of "targeted" action.
Lots of people are very happen to jettison an abstract principle if they think it is only going to affect someone else and never them.

The whole "I never thought the leopards would eat my face!" meme is about that kind of thinking.

 

[Valcazar]

What it is escalating to is not to worry over taking the high road, be be sure you have the high ground.

I don't even know what you think you mean by this.

Latest is the requested EO for a report use of the insurrection act is coming up.

Yup. Everyone knows he has been itching for insurrection act.

If they do it at the Border then protests will erupt. And then it's already in place.

Not sure what the "it" is you are referring to here.

 

[Valcazar]

They won't, and I actually believe the majority of GOP gun owners will back them. It's a thing of principle. And fear of government overreach. 1st and 2nd amendment rights.

You have a much higher opinion of the gun culture in America than I do.

 

[Valcazar]

What he is saying is Musk appears to have the ability to order around the Cabinet, and with Trump's blessing have any protest, much like Israeli protests, declared something else anyway.

Non violent doesn't work when the government is prepared to not listen and arrest.

That's an argument about the effectiveness of violent or non-violent protest.
Which has nothing to do with my comment.

 

[Valcazar]

Dude, that is the core value of all 2nd amendment types. Their primary concern has always been the govt. And remember half the population doesn't vote. They aren't just the hippies. They embody all the libertarians, militias, a lot of ex military, Communists, and other extreme groups, all of whom hate the government, and it doesn't matter what party.

I know the type.

Once again, your opinion of US gun culture is a fare more optimistic one than mine.

 

[Valcazar]

They can't charge terrorism unless Elon admits he is a political figure officially working for the government. And then he comes under all kinds of rules.

I don't think that follows at all.
Tesla has become a signal of the government as well.
Elon as well.
He doesn't need to be acknowledged as official for that to hold.

In "Tesla as a target is to affect government policy" the "government policy" part is what is important. It's the intent, not the target, that matters for the purposes of them charging terrorism.

 

[Butler1000]

What the fuck does Chuck Schumer have to do with this conversation?
And who is "they" in this context?

You are treating this like he is. Business as usual

 

[Butler1000]

You think if Trump tries to ban guns, the government will be overthrown?

No, I think Trump will be impeached and removed from office. And depending on what his VP has to say he may be out as well.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

And the legal argument for sending them to El Salvador would be what, exactly?

LOL…Trump just has to accuse them of being members of Tren de Aragua or MS-13. No hearing, no court appearance…just straight onto the plane and dumped in a prison in El Salvador before anyone has a chance to object.

Very easy.

 

[Butler1000]

I don't even know what you think you mean by this.



Yup. Everyone knows he has been itching for insurrection act.



Not sure what the "it" is you are referring to here.

It is the insurrection act. Putting US soldiers in combat on US soil.

And I can't help you if you continue to have comprehension issues

 

[Knuckle Ball]

No, I think Trump will be impeached and removed from office. And depending on what his VP has to say he may be out as well.

There is absolutely no way the GOP will ever go along with impeachment. Trump will not leave office until he is either assassinated or dies of natural causes.

 

[Valcazar]

So are you personally going to go out and add to this violence and vandalism?...You know since you're such an advocate of the cause and all.

No.
Butler made sure none of this affected him.
It's nothing he cares about personally because he's not at risk.

 

[Butler1000]

I don't think that follows at all.
Tesla has become a signal of the government as well.
Elon as well.
He doesn't need to be acknowledged as official for that to hold.

In "Tesla as a target is to affect government policy" the "government policy" part is what is important. It's the intent, not the target, that matters for the purposes of them charging terrorism.

Ok. So the intent is vandalism. That's it. Prove otherwise.

 

[Butler1000]

Once again, your opinion of US gun culture is a fare more optimistic one than mine.

Those types remember Ruby Ridge.

 

[Butler1000]

No.
Butler made sure none of this affected him.
It's nothing he cares about personally because he's not at risk.

Why would I interfere in the USA?