Mike Carney to replace Trudeau as Canada’s new PM

Skoob

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I'm not sure why you are trying to compare Pollievre to Hitler.
Transitive properties are for math, not politicians.



I'm still not sure why you think "wanting to fix Canada" is something people are criticizing or using as comparisons to Trump.
Then why are the comparisons to Trump being made if there are none?
 

Butler1000

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I didn't vote for him for party leader and I strongly suspect I won't vote for him in the general.
I just noticed you kept bringing up this nickname as if it was important so I asked about it.
You now seem mad that "Butler just believed a thing he saw on the internet because it confirmed his priors" happened again.
Whatever dude. You are just trolling.....
 

JohnLarue

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Your second paragraph contains so much apples-to-oranges, it might as well be a fruit salad. Can you join the two concepts of "1% of earners pay 42% of taxes" and "tax rates are 1/3rd of what they were" without me explaining it to you, or do I have to type WEALTH INEQUALITY very slowly, again.

Are you a free market capitalist?

1: Pay your taxes. If you chose not to pay taxes in this country, you may leave it. If you are a corporation, that goes for your business license.
2: If the monopolistic large corp does not exist, other corporations will spring up to fill the need in the market. Some may be more efficient and succeed, some may be less efficient and fail. This is good, actually.

If the government is protecting business, that is not free market capitalism. That's soy boy corporations not being able to swim without government-sponsored safe spaces.

Canada has resources that make it attractive. If you don't care for the country and what it has to offer, in exchange for your fair contribution to society, you are free to leave. <- and that should be government policy.

#1. you will never solve wealth inequality
it is part of human nature

#2. i get furious when ever i see someone telling another citizen to get out if the do not like govt policy
stop that

#3. The truth of the matter is we are definitely taxed too much
1/2 of Canadian families are $200 away from being insolvent and taxes are their largest non mortgage expense

and this does not include the massive future tax burden due to irresponsible govt debt

in the U.S.

  • The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 22.2 percent in 2020 to 26.3 percent in 2021 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 42.3 percent to 45.8 percent.
  • The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
so there is definitely tax burden inequality as 1/2 of the U.S taxpayers are getting a free ride


the govt debt burden in the US is astronomical 37 trillion

the debt the US govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years given the status quo
20% of govt revenues are currently spent on servicing the interest costs on the current debt

this is a ticking time bomb and needs to be addressed now
a U.S. govt default will cause a world wide Depression.... not a recession, but a Depression
 

shack

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I grasp what you are trying to say just fine. I disagree with it. We're arguing semantics anyway.

The scale of left, centre, right is fixed definitionally, like the electromagnetic spectrum.
The definitions of left, centre and right are not fixed. They are determined by the policies that the right and left wing parties choose to support. When the right wing parties adopt new policies that differ from previous policies, they have redefined what right wing means. The same goes for left wing. The policies that they choose define what left wing means. That is not semantics.
 

huntethan2023

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Is Poilievre right wing or left wing?
It doesn't matter which wing. What matters is Liberals are copying all the things what Poilievre is saying for last few years, (carbon tax, immigration, inflation, housing , pipelines) shows they never listened to vast majority. Now election time they want to depend on policies what opposition is saying all the time, that's pathetic. Can't trust Liberals.
 

mellowjello

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Let me refer you back, again, to what you said earlier.
Him personalty, not a huge amount. But the party needs a trip to the woodshed. It's still mostly the same MP's his cabinet will come from. He doesn't hand pick who runs in every riding.

They need a defeat. To remind them that it can happen.
You basically said he's not a big problem, it's the Liberal party.
Now you're saying it's both
You're not being consistent at all.
 

mandrill

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Disagree. Platform matters and No one can really explain Carney's platform.

To me, it seems Liberal voters are more vulnerable to a politician with a nice smile.
And Tory voters are more vulnerable to a politician who's a whiny little fuck.
 

mellowjello

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It doesn't matter which wing. What matters is Liberals are copying all the things what Poilievre is saying for last few years, (carbon tax, immigration, inflation, housing , pipelines) shows they never listened to vast majority. Now election time they want to depend on policies what opposition is saying all the time, that's pathetic. Can't trust Liberals.
I'm not promoting anyone.
I don't have a problem with Poilievre per se.
I'm trying to get a grasp on where Butler stands.
 

Butler1000

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Let me refer you back, again, to what you said earlier.

You basically said he's not a big problem, it's the Liberal party.
Now you're saying it's both
You're not being consistent at all.
Personally, not professionally. I don't "hate" him, don't have an emotional reaction.

Sorry if you can't see the difference. I think all leaders at some point have to have a ruthless streak in them. The question is where that ruthlessness will be directed.

A populist is less likely to hurt the little guy than a private equity manager.
 
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