BREAKING: Zelensky ADMITS Trump Meeting Went Poorly, Still WANTS Ukraine PEACE DEAL!

Knuckle Ball

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I don't understand why he went to the WH and acted like that... He could've just signed the deal and said thank you...
I have wondered that too. As I understand it, the meeting was supposed to be a photo op with Trump and Zelensky signing the minerals deal, shaking hands, and going home.

However, Trump as of late has decided to turn his meetings with his cabinet, world leaders, etc. into reality tv events with the press there asking questions, etc. and public conversations rambling all over. In the process, Trump/Vance make offside comments about Ukraine starting the war, etc. which literally force Zelensky to choose between standing quietly while disparaging lies are told or speaking up.

Macron had to fact check Trump earlier in the week about how much money the US was spending on the war vs Europe…Trump hates that and has been doubling down on the lie ever since.
 

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Observe the timeline: -Friday: Zelensky throws a fit and refuses to sign minerals deal at White House. -Saturday/Sunday: Zelensky runs off to London to beg for money from Europe, they give him a minuscule amount of funds and tell him to go beg Trump for forgiveness. -Monday: Trump says that if Zelensky does not come to the table ready for peace, then he will “not be around very long”. Hours later, Trump cuts off all weapons sales, aid, funding, stockpiles, etc., until Zelensky is committed to a ceasefire and peace deal. -Today: Zelensky is ready to commit to a peace deal, first thing this morning. You just witnessed the Art of the Deal play out in real time. Trump is holding all the cards, and forced Zelensky to submit. Zelensky was trying to play games and keep this war going, so Trump dropped the hammer on him. Trump essentially told Zelensky ‘you either work with me on stopping this war, or we will let Putin kill you’. You are watching a master at work.
 

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He would have if he was a loyal quisling like you.
But he is a patriot.
Then why is he capitulating now? What was the point of acting like that if he was going to bend over eventually?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Then why is he capitulating now? What was the point of acting like that if he was going to bend over eventually?
He is not capitulating.
He said even before the WH meeting that he is ready to sign a mineral deal with the US for security guarantees.
He is saying the same thing now.
I posted his tweet above.
 
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kherg007

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As Trump basically said last Friday, "Ukraine has no remaining cards to play."
They did until Trump pulled them.
He should have threatened the Russians by saying he'll double arms to Ukraine until Russia stops. THEN threaten Ukraine with cutting off their arms.
 

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What did Zelensky think was going to happen? He was going to bluff his way against Trump to continue the war? lol

The man lords like a dictator over an impoverished nation that's getting brutally beat down by Russia.

His only life line was to suck Trump's dick which is what he's doing now.

Trump just wants to end the war. For that, his heart is in the right place.
 

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What did Zelensky think was going to happen? He was going to bluff his way against Trump to continue the war? lol

The man lords like a dictator over an impoverished nation that's getting brutally beat down by Russia.

His only life line was to suck Trump's dick which is what he's doing now.

Trump just wants to end the war. For that, his heart is in the right place.
Is this brutally beat down?
 
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Yep. He is watching Ukrainian hospitals and schools targeted with rockets. He's watching Ukrainian children and elderly being blown to bits by Russians.
And even though he's thanked the USA publicly dozens and dozens of times he gets attacked for not thanking Donald Trump who has excluded him from negotiations
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I am sure Zelensky said thanks more than a few times for aids
received from Biden. I also think Vance could have worded his remarks
on Zelensky more accurately. But still a more cordial reception of
Zelensky would not have improved his image of a salesman,
unappreciative of the generosity of his financial backers,
incessantly demanding the west for military and financial
support.

Greta Thunberg might have said thanks to acknowledge
her hosts before delivery of her speeches. But her saying
thanks wouldn't rectify her image of an arrogant
attention-whoring brat.

To this day Zelensky is still crusading as if his imaginary
ally in the U.S. would think alike as him on his cause of defending
and fighting for the democracy of Ukraine and by extension
the west He may not have realized Ukraine and to some degree
EU have been used by the U.S. Biden while in many ways a
more decent man than Donald Trump did not intend Zelensky
to defeat Putin. Trump like the cunning old fox Biden is only doing
what serves American interest better in the stage the war has
evolved into under him. If the U.S. was going to come to the rescue
of Ukraine by bombing Russia like dropping into North Vietnam a
greater tonnage of bombs than in WWII from B52 bombing mission
it wouldn't be an operation launched on any security agreement with
Ukraine. Zelensky has to understand his role in a proxy war. It sucks
to sign the mineral deal but the alternative is for him to turn to Europe
from whom he would receive only a fraction of aid Ukraine has already
accustomed to.

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US senator slams 'ungrateful' Ukrainian president over NATO demands
12 July 2023

US Senator Rand Paul has rebuked the “ungrateful” Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky for his harsh criticism of Washington and other Western backers and demanding Kiev's speedy NATO accession.

“We’ve given them $100 billion, and he has the audacity to be so brazen as to tell us we'd better speed it up … I’d say it’s not very grateful,” Paul, a Republican from Kentucky, said on Tuesday in a Fox News interview.

“There’s an old English adage he might need to become aware of: Never look a gift horse in the mouth,” he said, adding that the Ukrainian president might need to recalibrate his complaints to avoid alienating Western allies.

Paul made his comments after Zelensky slammed NATO's "absurd" lack of a timeline for Ukraine's accession to the NATO military alliance earlier in the day.

"It's unprecedented and absurd when a timeframe is not set, neither for the invitation nor for Ukraine's membership," said Zelensky on the Telegram messaging app before joining NATO leaders as a guest at the bloc’s summit in Lithuania’s capital, Vilnius.

Referring to "vague wording about 'conditions'" for Ukraine's NATO accession, Zelensky said, "It seems there is no readiness neither to invite Ukraine to NATO, nor to make it a member of the Alliance."

The US-led NATO military alliance has backed Kiev logistically in its war against Russia, while also supporting it with a raft of lethal armaments.

Paul also blasted the Western military aid to Ukraine and said it hinders Kiev from sitting around the negotiation table with Russia.

“As long as we continue to supply unlimited arms to Zelensky, I think he sees no reason to have any negotiations,” Paul said. “So I think we’re putting off negotiations, but ultimately, the losers are the Ukrainian people.”

US 'furious' over Zelensky's remark

On the other side of the ledger, the US delegation attending the NATO summit in Vilnius expressed their “furious” stance over Zelensky's comments, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday, citing an unnamed official familiar with the matter.

The paper pointed out that Zelensky “blasting the alliance stood in stark contrast to the image of Western harmony that [US President Joe] Biden and his aides had been projecting” at the event.

A senior NATO official told Washington Post that the Ukrainian president's “tweet puts pressure on the alliance,” while also helping him “to say, ‘I am fighting to the end’” to the population of Ukraine.

Furthermore, an unnamed senior diplomat from Central Europe told Politico that Zelensky “is going too far” with his criticism.

“I think that this is not a thoughtful and fair approach” from the Ukrainian leader, he added.

No agreement on Ukraine's accession to NATO

Many NATO member states, with the United States in the lead, have been opposed to giving Kiev a timetable for its membership in the military alliance.

US President Joe Biden has pointed out that there is no agreement among the NATO leaders to offer Kiev membership while the war with Russia rages on.

Biden says that Kiev’s NATO membership could put the alliance directly against Russia in the proxy war against Moscow.

Russia has repeatedly said that the collective Western nations are engaged in a proxy war with Russia over Ukraine, warning that the conflict could escalate into a much bigger fight.

Moscow also insists that Western nations must refrain from the direct military confrontation between the US-led NATO forces and Russian troops.

Russia began its special military operation in Donbas in February 2022 to protect the pro-Russian population in the region against persecution by the Kiev regime. It says it also seeks to stop NATO's eastward expansion by attempting to "demilitarize and denazify" the ex-Soviet republic.

Till now, the US and its Western allies have provided Kiev with a constant flow of weapons and munitions shipments, including rocket systems, drones, tanks, and armored vehicles, as well as communication systems, in addition to F-16 fighter jets possibly in the future.

 

rouxo boe

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This is a stupid move. By rejecting the incremental steps already in play, Zelensky is ignoring a simpler, more effective path to peace... and that's just setting Ukraine up for more setbacks.
 
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