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richaceg

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Gentlemen, brothers we all know the brainwashed Trump supporters in this thread, and IRL, it’s useless to argue or debate w these types. They have a one track mind, and only try to convince you that they’re right and all else are wrong. And the moment their backs are in the wall, all who oppose them are either cry baby libs, woke or socialists. Not people that believe in fairness in trade and Democracy.
For those Canadians that still love and support Trump, leave Canada , you’re not welcome here anymore!
Take a deep breath, then read your post...then come back and tell me if that doesn't spell "brainwashed"... most "maggots" "maggats" "repugs" in this thread are not in favor of tariffs and Canada becoming 51st state... just because we differ in opinion doesn't mean we're always right and you're always wrong and vise versa...we can debate all day, just stop acting like a child...
 

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Take a deep breath, then read your post...then come back and tell me if that doesn't spell "brainwashed"... most "maggots" "maggats" "repugs" in this thread are not in favor of tariffs and Canada becoming 51st state... just because we differ in opinion doesn't mean we're always right and you're always wrong and vise versa...we can debate all day, just stop acting like a child...
Thanks for proving my point.
Not that I needed you to or wanted you to, but thanks!
 

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Do you live Russia?
Have you traveled there lately?
Unless you have been there, your opinion is beyond futile.
No I have not, but the major cities are great and the rural areas are like Arkansas🤷‍♂️ I am sure there are some very poor places like Canada or USA.
 
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nottyboi

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Gentlemen, brothers we all know the brainwashed Trump supporters in this thread, and IRL, it’s useless to argue or debate w these types. They have a one track mind, and only try to convince you that they’re right and all else are wrong. And the moment their backs are in the wall, all who oppose them are either cry baby libs, woke or socialists. Not people that believe in fairness in trade and Democracy.
For those Canadians that still love and support Trump, leave Canada , you’re not welcome here anymore!
Well there is the Orange Man Baaaaaad crowd like you. Then there is the Orange man goood crowd, then there is people like me that are pragmatists. All of NATO has failed to defeat Putin. So what positive results can be gained from losing more territory and killing another 1m Ukrainians?
 
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oil&gas

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Ghawar
NATO failed to defeat Putin because it did not fight him
but funded a proxy to do the dirty work.

That doesn't mean NATO would have defeated Putin had
it deployed its sissy soldiers to do the fighting for Ukraine.
 
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Y_Diner

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Well there is the Orange Man Baaaaaad crowd like you. Then there is the Orange man goood crowd, then there is people like me that are pragmatists. All of NATO has failed to defeat Putin. So what positive results can be gained from losing more territory and killing another 1m Ukrainians?
OK, let Putin and Trump do whatever the hell they want. After the Ukraine, it’ll be Poland. After Canada, who knows the world? people like you are so pathetic so easily brainwashed and deluded by empty promises
 

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OK, let Putin and Trump do whatever the hell they want. After the Ukraine, it’ll be Poland. After Canada, who knows the world? people like you are so pathetic so easily brainwashed and deluded by empty promises

Your scenario of Russian expansion into Europe and
North America is highly improbable.

Total population of NATO-Europe + UK is way greater
than that of Russia.

GDP of more than a handful of individual NATO members
are higher than Russia.

France and the UK are both nuclear power.

Europe is sheltered in the U.S. umbrella which not
even Trump will dare to remove.

Putin will have to be feeling suicidal to invade Poland
and the rest of Europe and then Canada.

The hard part of shoring up defence against Russia for
Europe is that Ukraine is running out of human cannon
fodder. NATO will have to deploy its own troops to defend
democracy in Ukraine.
 

Y_Diner

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Your scenario of Russian expansion into Europe and
North America is highly improbable.

Total population of NATO-Europe + UK is way greater
than that of Russia.

GDP of more than a handful of individual NATO members
are higher than Russia.

France and the UK are both nuclear power.

Europe is sheltered in the U.S. umbrella which not
even Trump will dare to remove.

Putin will have to be feeling suicidal to invade Poland
and the rest of Europe and then Canada.

The hard part of shoring up defence against Russia for
Europe is that Ukraine is running out of human cannon
fodder. NATO will have to deploy its own troops to defend
democracy in Ukraine.
Trump->Canada ad who knows after:
 

nottyboi

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OK, let Putin and Trump do whatever the hell they want. After the Ukraine, it’ll be Poland. After Canada, who knows the world? people like you are so pathetic so easily brainwashed and deluded by empty promises
Its pretty simple to see what's happening, and analyze the facts so you don't shit you pants unnecessarily. If Putin had a grand design of invading Europe he would be undertaking an ENORMOUS military buildup. Since the war with Ukraine started the Russia military has expanded, from about 1.2m to 1.7-2m. That is a large an powerful army no doubt. But to invade Europe he would need to build a military of 8-10m and would have to totally switch to a war economy that was mostly arms and ammo. If you see THAT happening, then it would be the right time to shit your pants. So you can remove your Depends for now and cease the pant shitting. 👌
 

nottyboi

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Orange Man IS bad.
And NATO did not fight Putin. Ukraine did.
Ukraine fought Russia with massive support from NATO to the point where they reached critical levels on ammo stores. Since NATO is not gonna jump in with their own meat and the vast material support has utterly failed, WHAT GOOD CAN COME OF CONTINUING. All you Ukraine war mongers cannot see any successful outcome, yet you want the killing to continue. I am no fan of Trump, but he is right, there is no win here for Ukraine on the battlefield. It only gets worse. Russia is getting stronger they have reliable and formidable allies. Its time to talk peace with the Istanbul accords as the starting point.
 

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Ukraine fought Russia with massive support from NATO to the point where they reached critical levels on ammo stores. Since NATO is not gonna jump in with their own meat and the vast material support has utterly failed, WHAT GOOD CAN COME OF CONTINUING. All you Ukraine war mongers cannot see any successful outcome, yet you want the killing to continue. I am no fan of Trump, but he is right, there is no win here for Ukraine on the battlefield. It only gets worse. Russia is getting stronger they have reliable and formidable allies. Its time to talk peace with the Istanbul accords as the starting point.
Once the US drops out of NATO, the only country against will be Hungary.

Careful, Canada has a history of going after Russian bots and trolls.

 
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Ukraine fought Russia with massive support from NATO to the point where they reached critical levels on ammo stores. Since NATO is not gonna jump in with their own meat and the vast material support has utterly failed, WHAT GOOD CAN COME OF CONTINUING. All you Ukraine war mongers cannot see any successful outcome, yet you want the killing to continue. I am no fan of Trump, but he is right, there is no win here for Ukraine on the battlefield. It only gets worse. Russia is getting stronger they have reliable and formidable allies. Its time to talk peace with the Istanbul accords as the starting point.
Ukraine got old ammo from certain NATO nations and nothing close to what they actually needed to decisively beat back Russia.
Even with that Russia got decimated.
Whatever the negotiated peace, and whatever Ukraine agrees to there has to be security guarantees in order for Ukraine to agree to it.
Otherwise there will be no peace.
But let us not misstate your objectives here.
You are a Russia supporter and you support anyone who supports Russia, including the compromised American administration.
You made the argument that Ukraine was not even a legitimate state.
I am sure you would have loved it if Russia had completed its invasion of Ukraine but you are now having to settle for the phony concern about Ukrainian lives because this is the best "out" you will get.
 

Y_Diner

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Its pretty simple to see what's happening, and analyze the facts so you don't shit you pants unnecessarily. If Putin had a grand design of invading Europe he would be undertaking an ENORMOUS military buildup. Since the war with Ukraine started the Russia military has expanded, from about 1.2m to 1.7-2m. That is a large an powerful army no doubt. But to invade Europe he would need to build a military of 8-10m and would have to totally switch to a war economy that was mostly arms and ammo. If you see THAT happening, then it would be the right time to shit your pants. So you can remove your Depends for now and cease the pant shitting. 👌
The only shit happening is what’s in your Brian and what comes out of your mouth.
“You people” really are exhausting to debate with. One track mind.
 
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