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Man who killed Toronto teen on subway sentenced to life in prison

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She said he had revealed himself to be an “unmanageable” and “uncontrollable” threat to public safety prior to the stabbing by amassing nearly 200 criminal convictions, including several assaults and a sexual assault.

The Globe and Mail previously reported that before Gabriel’s killing, Mr. O’Brien-Tobin had many criminal cases end in plea deals despite his history of property crimes, serious assaults and flagrant breaches of bail and probation orders
 

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Parroting right wing/conservative talking points while working as a sex worker is a whole next level of irony
Criticizing right wing/conservative talking points while paying for sex is a whole next level of irony
 
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Parroting right wing/conservative talking points while working as a sex worker is a whole next level of irony
Huh? If we’re to divide political ideologies into strictly liberal vs conservative values, neither side seems particularly happy with how the justice system currently operates. That couldn’t be more clear.

You’re grasping at straws to find a reason to be condescending to a sex worker, despite being another person that benefits from their services. Now, that’s real irony.
 

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Huh? If we’re to divide political ideologies into strictly liberal vs conservative values, neither side seems particularly happy with how the justice system currently operates. That couldn’t be more clear.

You’re grasping at straws to find a reason to be condescending to a sex worker, despite being another person that benefits from their services. Now, that’s real irony.
NO NO NO - wokeness is preventing the system from being a detterent - make life more difficult in jails, impose on serious criminal’s rights - they lose privilege when the don’t care about fellow humans or the law.

Then add the lack of acknowledgement that certain racially marginalized groups are more at risk of falling into crime - and you have a ‘no way out’ situation for kids born in those communities
 

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NO NO NO - wokeness is preventing the system from being a detterent - make life more difficult in jails, impose on serious criminal’s rights - they lose privilege when the don’t care about fellow humans or the law.

Then add the lack of acknowledgement that certain racially marginalized groups are more at risk of falling into crime - and you have a ‘no way out’ situation for kids born in those communities
I think you’re arguing against your points, in some ways. For example, you talking about marginalized groups (not applicable to the perp in this instance), whether racially, or socioeconomically (maybe both), being failed by a system that will push them towards criminal activity, while also condemning them for engaging in it. Why be against a restructuring that perpetuates that cycle. This isn’t about wokeness, at all - that’s a lazy argument. It’s an acknowledgment of both sides (if we simplify things and narrow it down to two), having no confidence in the system as it stands.

I’d still love to hear back from the person I was quoting, and don’t want to fall to off track. There’s constant complaining about how SP’s think they’re above their clients, and should be more willing to engage with us. Then, when they do, they’re treated with a noticeable contempt, almost.
 
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200 Criminal convictions and he was walking around? Now murder? The family should sue someone that let him out.
Agreed. That someone is the government that is paid by its citizens to protect them, and has a monopoly on the legal use of force.

If it fails in this respect, what good are they? Why give them your money, and why give them a monopoly on force?
 

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I think you’re arguing against your points, in some ways. For example, you talking about marginalized groups (not applicable to the perp in this instance), whether racially, or socioeconomically (maybe both), being failed by a system that will push them towards criminal activity, while also condemning them for engaging in it. Why be against a restructuring that perpetuates that cycle. This isn’t about wokeness, at all - that’s a lazy argument. It’s an acknowledgment of both sides (if we simplify things and narrow it down to two), having no confidence in the system as it stands.

I’d still love to hear back from the person I was quoting, and don’t want to fall to off track. There’s constant complaining about how SP’s think they’re above their clients, and should be more willing to engage with us. Then, when they do, they’re treated with a noticeable contempt, almost.

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The system has been fueled by an extremely woke federal govt that teamed with the NDP for two terms. Of course it is broken

It IS about woke and political correctness getting in the way of doing what is necessary.

We cannot blame the system anymore - canada is amongst the leaders in the world in providing equal opportunity and inclusion for all groups. We have room to be better of course. But if one can earn more money pursuing a life of crime, with no real risk of getting caught, of course we are in the spot we are in now. And these instances of random crime. as horrific as they are ( likely related to mental health) are just the tip of the iceberg. Car theft, smash and grab I jewellery stores, break and enters in to people’s homes, gang crime - these are the big issues that are getting worse. Total disregard for laws, police and society


Somehow being hard on crime became inhumane.

somehow it became racist to acknowledge that (frankly) POC communities are ravaged by growing systemic crime - impeding the ability to focus more police and social intervention and resources in these communities

Somehow society wanted to de-police instead of listening to on-the-ground police officers that deal-with and interact with criminals daily - police see how the politicalization of crime policy towards the left is the problem
 
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Parroting right wing/conservative talking points while working as a sex worker is a whole next level of irony
you're not on reddit. if you think that Canadian justice system is functional, you're probably a criminal.
 

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Of course, they aren’t. Nor was that said. You’re taking a comment out of context, and still, not engaging with it.
Okay, allow me to provide additional context. There are political positions that condone voluntary transactions, but punish involuntary ones. Hence, there is nothing wrong in an SP criticizing violent crime.
 

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The system has been fueled by an extremely woke federal govt that teamed with the NDP for two terms. Of course it is broken

It IS about woke and political correctness getting in the way of doing what is necessary.

We cannot blame the system anymore - canada is amongst the leaders in the world in providing equal opportunity and inclusion for all groups. We have room to be better of course. But if one can earn more money pursuing a life of crime, with no real risk of getting caught, of course we are in the spot we are in now. And these instances of random crime. as horrific as they are ( likely related to mental health) are just the tip of the iceberg. Car theft, smash and grab I jewellery stores, break and enters in to people’s homes, gang crime - these are the big issues that are getting worse. Total disregard for laws, police and society


Somehow being hard on crime became inhumane.

somehow it became racist to acknowledge that (frankly) POC communities are ravaged by growing systemic crime - impeding the ability to focus more police and social intervention and resources in these communities

Somehow society wanted to de-police instead of listening to on-the-ground police officers that deal-with and interact with criminals daily - police see how the politicalization of crime policy towards the left is the problem
Do you really think this is an issue that only came to a head in the past 2 terms? When it comes to serious crime, Canada has always been seen as a joke with the light slap on the wrists it’ll give out. If we want to look at this case as wokeness going too far, that concept sort of contradicts this instance. If anything, this kind of supports the idea that white men can get away with pretty much anything, short of killing someone.

Individually, I think you make a lot of good points, like community resources being an important factor in deterring people from going down the wrong paths to begin with. And how, as a society, mental health issues aren’t really dealt with until they culminate in serious ways, but at that point, what extent could that individual be helped? In the case of violent crimes, probably not at all. Especially if we’re talking about sex-related crimes, which statistically, don’t show any hope of rehabilitation.

Those that are in support of police reform, are looking for just that. Police play a necessary role in a functioning society. Or, at least they should. However, that doesn’t detract from the fact that there are a lot of tyrants who will be obsessed with authority, that are drawn to those kinds of positions. Just look at the number of people in that industry that are domestic abusers. Putting anyone up on a pedestal without examination is a dangerous game, and holding police accountable that have abused their power, shouldn’t be taboo. For sake of decrying wokeness, we’ve massively moved off-topic. These things can absolutely be related, but in this instance, it pulls things in so many different directions that don’t really look to add up at any point.
 
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