Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[Phil C. McNasty]

Phil, you're probably like me. You note with bemusement that they didn't care when Putin was chewing off pieces of Ukraine in Obama's second term

Great point.
But now that Trump is involved they suddenly care about the Ukrainian people

 

[WyattEarp]

They're going to have to move their conscription age even lower....In short they're running out of men to put into this meat grinder.

Ukraine lowers its conscription age to 25 to replenish its beleaguered troops

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed three bills into law aimed at strengthening the country’s beleaguered forces.

apnews.com

This and how many young men just picked up and left the Ukraine.

This is all scary and I'm not sure the American and European press is adequately covering the war.

 

[SchlongConery]

As a hypothetical, let's just say that NATO didn't exist. Why would anyone attack Canada knowing that USA will 100% intervene? Who would be even capable of attacking? We are on a different continent that almost everyone else.

Nothing hypothetical about it. The answer was Russia. The answer since Trump has come into power is now the United States.

 

[WyattEarp]

Russia isn't that far from Canada via the Arctic or the West.
And the US would only intervene because of NATO.
Otherwise why would they?

Rare earth minerals

 

[mellowjello]

Because Canada acts as a security buffer, same as Ukraine for Russia.

 

[WyattEarp]

Zelensky wearing the military type uniform and not a suit isn’t about disrespect. It’s about being in tune with the situation going on in Ukraine. And the nerve if people complaining about him when Musk wears a Tshirt and baseball cap in the oval office.

It's not disrespectful, but I don't think it's a good look. Zelensky casts a diminutive figure. He needs to project himself as a leader on a global stage.

 

[WyattEarp]

Israel buys weapons from the US, Ukraine expects free handouts. Big difference there

Biden plans to send $8bn arms shipment to Israel

The weapons consignment, which needs approval from House and Senate committees, includes air-to-air missiles.

www.bbc.com

Regardless of one's sentiment here, the Ukraine is going to be very costly to the West for years to come.

 

[Butler1000]

Marco Rubio reveals that what Zelensky did before cameras started rolling is reason why he should apologize

Marco Rubio slams Zelensky's behavior before cameras started rolling

Marco Rubio said that Volodymyr Zelensky should apologize to Donald Trump and cast doubts on whether the Ukrainian president really wants peace after their disaster meeting.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think this is bullshit. Zelenskyy did not just show up to sign a minerals deal. Framing it that way and stating that American business interests inside Ukraine would protect them is bullshit. Sounds to me like they get the deal, watch as Russia continued, then demand a surrender to "protect American Business interests".

This about American isolationism, and the eventual dissolution of NATO imo. They want to to get America out of Europe, concentrate on NA and Central America. It's so damn stupid and myopic.

I think between this and his domestic agenda the midterms will end this.

 

[WyattEarp]

You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.

Would Russia somehow go around and attack from the north?? How? What exactly would they accomplish in the arctic so far from their land?

You're either fear mongering or greatly exaggerate Russian capabilities. It's crazy how a country who is sanctioned and has a crumbling economy would be capable of such a feat. They supposedly can't even accomplish squat in Ukraine.

I have taken Canada by way of Greenland on the Risk game board.
Just jokin'.

 

[Butler1000]

Proof you are suffering from full blown dementia ( hopefully you have a few good years left to see King Donnie rule the world).

With his domestic agenda he will lose Congress at the midterms.

 

[Frankfooter]

As a hypothetical, let's just say that NATO didn't exist. Why would anyone attack Canada knowing that USA will 100% intervene? Who would be even capable of attacking? We are on a different continent that almost everyone else.

The question is wrong.
The only country now likely and threatening to invade Canada is the US.
Without NATO we are screwed.

The whole point of global alliances is to create larger groups that have more power to resist rogue nations like the US and Russia.

 

[WyattEarp]

Not Jerry Springer. Have you guys ever been in business negotiations with vendors or partners who messed up? Trump and Vance kept it very civil and told it how it was. It’s not like we hadn’t given him hundreds of billions. Trump and Vance called it for what it was - didn’t ridicule him, didn’t use profanity. I don’t understand where this analogy of Jerry comes from. Has the original poster ever seen an episode of Jerry Springer?

Steve would have carried Zelensky out of the room.

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The only country now likely and threatening to invade Canada is the US.
Without NATO we are screwed.

I'm even having doubts about NATO, now.

 

[LickingG2]

With his domestic agenda he will lose Congress at the midterms.

Here's hoping. The guy is out of control. For all the potential good he is doing by looking to cut waste, he is screwing it by infantile execution.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.

Would Russia somehow go around and attack from the north?? How? What exactly would they accomplish in the arctic so far from their land?

You're either fear mongering or greatly exaggerate Russian capabilities. It's crazy how a country who is sanctioned and has a crumbling economy would be capable of such a feat. They supposedly can't even accomplish squat in Ukraine.

Well NATO was established during the days of the Soviet Union, when they might have been capable.
But chiefly NATO exists to protect Europe and we are involved because we have close cultural, military and economic ties to Europe.
NATO affords us more benefits than just military protection.
You do realize that?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

......the eventual dissolution of NATO imo. They want to to get America out of Europe...

Which is also Putin's agenda.

 

[WyattEarp]

That went back to the ammunition and weapons factories in the US. War is big business for the US, it keeps their economy churning.. so STFU.

You can be passionate, but the moderators will take you out if you don't dial it down.

 

[WyattEarp]

It is his expected American Isolationism take on this. It will appeal to Trump's base.

Aren't you torn on this subject?

Aren't you always the one who stating that the U.S. is pro-war?

 

[shack]

It's funny how you guys can't evolve your thinking as a situation progresses. I was also on Zelensky's side when the war started.

But by the hugest of coincidences and completely of your own independent thought, I'm sure, your opinion changed as soon as trump took office and/or when everyone could tell by his rhetoric that he was anti-Ukraine and supporting Russia/RasPutin.

Your mea culpa smells kinda cheesy. It has the smell of a tDS symptom. The loss of the ability to think independently. Your thoughts are dicktated by what your leader tells you to think.

That's how your thinking "evolved".

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Canada has military protection by default with or without NATO. USA will never allow another military power to run rampant north of their border.

No I dont believe that after Trump's threat to Canada to make it its 51st state.
Also the US is the only country to try to invade Canada.