Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

Shaquille Oatmeal

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He wanted US troops on the ground?...Surely this can't be true.
If you want Ukraine's rare earth minerals, you'd have to at the very least be able to guarantee their safety for the foreseeable future.
It is not like the US does not have any experience with that sort of thing.
Do you think Zelensky will just sign away his country's natural resources in return for nothing?
 

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I think Poilievre shit his pants when Trump won, and now with Ford's majority he's in even tougher.
Ontario for the most part dictates the election and there's always been a balancing game voters play with federal and provincial leaders.
Maybe Pierre should try and get Ford's endorsement?? Pierre has nothing to lose, by trying to do this. However, it seems Ford is more like a liberal. For example, during Covid, Ford was best friends with Freeland, and Ford is even very friendly with Justin, as Ford and Justin often appeared at press conferences together etc
 
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At least Trump tells it like it is, in front of the press!! Totally, unlike Biden!!
In the open, it just shows he has NO tact or professionalism. Trump is a total AH. It's all about him, he wanted to show the media how he was going to talk Zelensky in submission. But Zelensky stood up to both of them. Vance started it by pissing off Zelensky. Vance started with diplomacy, Zelensky said what diplomacy? He was pointing to how Putin broke previous ceasefire agreements, broke prisoner exchange agreements.. he put Vance in his place. So Vance started asking did you ever say thank you lol.. Trump and Vance are idiots. When Putin invades Europe, I wonder what they will do.
 

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When was the last time we saw any Western leader act like this? No idea.

US politics I think has hit a new historic low. The Democratic Party has effectively collapsed as nothing more than controlled opposition and the GOP has no solid policy, or direction. It's literally a day to day, what the hell will happen next shitshow.

My prediction it will get worse before it gets better is coming true. The hubris of the Oligarchs is coming to the fore. Especially the Tech ones. Amazing how only a few years ago they were woke Democrats and now they see a clear opening and are taking it.

I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming. Europe has a very tough choice to make. We shall see whether they will step up now. Because barring a complete capitulation by Zelensky(unless this is a ploy to try to get the Ukrainian parliament to remove him for some reason) Ukraine will not survive.
 
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I didn't hear Zelensky shouting...get it right. Trump and Vance attacked him verbally and Trump pointing his finger at him and not allowing Zelensky to speak...despicable.
As Trump said, "Zelensky has no cards to play." Zelensky should just listen to Trump, and try and end this war. No way Trump is giving Ukraine another $350 billion dollars, like Biden did!!
 

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If you want Ukraine's rare earth minerals, you'd have to at the very least be able to guarantee their safety for the foreseeable future.
It is not like the US does not have any experience with that sort of thing.
Do you think Zelensky will just sign away his country's natural resources in return for nothing?
I'd be very suspicious of that X account's version.
But we will see.
It wouldn't have surprised me at all if Zelensky pushed for a security guarantee and that is being spun into "US Troops on the ground".

But it is also possible he just flat out made the demand if the agreed on framework for the deal was already being changed or otherwise falling apart.
 

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In the open, it just shows he has NO tact or professionalism. Trump is a total AH. It's all about him, he wanted to show the media how he was going to talk Zelensky in submission. But Zelensky stood up to both of them. Vance started it by pissing off Zelensky. Vance started with diplomacy, Zelensky said what diplomacy? He was pointing to how Putin broke previous ceasefire agreements, broke prisoner exchange agreements.. he put Vance in his place. So Vance started asking did you ever say thank you lol.. Trump and Vance are idiots. When Putin invades Europe, I wonder what they will do.
Trump must be doing something right, as Trump is only the 2nd President in US history, to be elected president twice, in non-consecutive terms!!
 

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Don't care much about Trump...lol...i just enjoy him trolling democrats and liberals...whatever he does for the Americans good for them... the LIberal party has nothing to offer other than virtue signalling and gas lighting...they're done... Ontario election is the writing on the wall...
The Ontario election is completely different than the Federal. The difference is most of us on the center line, like Dougy, have no issues with Dougy but the same folks can't stand Pee Pee and want to knock him out because he has such a punchable face. LOL

As for Trumputin, you are a traitor and are proud of it. ------- https://www.uscis.gov/green-card do it, you will be a happier person.
 

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I'd be very suspicious of that X account's version.
But we will see.
It wouldn't have surprised me at all if Zelensky pushed for a security guarantee and that is being spun into "US Troops on the ground".

But it is also possible he just flat out made the demand if the agreed on framework for the deal was already being changed or otherwise falling apart.
Zelensky has no right to demand anything. Zelensky is in a very weak bargaining position, especially if the US cuts off funding to Ukraine entirely!!
 

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When was the last time we saw any Western leader act like this? No idea.

US politics I think has hit a new historic low. The Democratic Party has effectively collapsed as nothing more than controlled opposition and the GOP has no solid policy, or direction. It's literally a day to day, what the hell will happen next shitshow.

My prediction it will get worse before it gets better is coming true. The hubris of the Oligarchs is coming to the fore. Especially the Tech ones. Amazing how only a few years ago they were woke Democrats and now they see a clear opening and are taking it.

I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming. Europe has a very tough choice to make. We shall see whether they will step up now. Because barring a complete capitulation by Zelensky(unless this is a ploy to try to get the Ukrainian parliament to remove him for some reason) Ukraine will not survive.
That's how banana republics work.
 

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When was the last time we saw any Western leader act like this? No idea.

US politics I think has hit a new historic low. The Democratic Party has effectively collapsed as nothing more than controlled opposition and the GOP has no solid policy, or direction. It's literally a day to day, what the hell will happen next shitshow.

My prediction it will get worse before it gets better is coming true. The hubris of the Oligarchs is coming to the fore. Especially the Tech ones. Amazing how only a few years ago they were woke Democrats and now they see a clear opening and are taking it.

I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming. Europe has a very tough choice to make. We shall see whether they will step up now. Because barring a complete capitulation by Zelensky(unless this is a ploy to try to get the Ukrainian parliament to remove him for some reason) Ukraine will not survive.
Stuff like this happens behind closed doors, but I don't mind the transparency TBH, Biden was like a ghost, Trump lets it all hang out,.
 

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Trump must be doing something right, as Trump is only the 2nd President in US history, to be elected president twice, in non-consecutive terms!!

No question that Don the Con Man was the best in conning the public with promises he never kept. Nor intended to keep.
 

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In the open, it just shows he has NO tact or professionalism. Trump is a total AH. It's all about him, he wanted to show the media how he was going to talk Zelensky in submission. But Zelensky stood up to both of them. Vance started it by pissing off Zelensky. Vance started with diplomacy, Zelensky said what diplomacy? He was pointing to how Putin broke previous ceasefire agreements, broke prisoner exchange agreements.. he put Vance in his place. So Vance started asking did you ever say thank you lol.. Trump and Vance are idiots. When Putin invades Europe, I wonder what they will do.
They will ask Europe for rights to their minerals but first ask Putin if that is ok.
 
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When was the last time we saw any Western leader act like this? No idea.

US politics I think has hit a new historic low. The Democratic Party has effectively collapsed as nothing more than controlled opposition and the GOP has no solid policy, or direction. It's literally a day to day, what the hell will happen next shitshow.

My prediction it will get worse before it gets better is coming true. The hubris of the Oligarchs is coming to the fore. Especially the Tech ones. Amazing how only a few years ago they were woke Democrats and now they see a clear opening and are taking it.

I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming. Europe has a very tough choice to make. We shall see whether they will step up now. Because barring a complete capitulation by Zelensky(unless this is a ploy to try to get the Ukrainian parliament to remove him for some reason) Ukraine will not survive.
You're starting to see the light that Harris would have been a better choice eh? Do you think you would be so distraught if Harris had won?

"I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming."
 
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