Trump will impose 25% Tariffs on Canada on March 4

squeezer

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There you go squeezer, so Canada might not have a choice but to become a 51st State
No, not true. Along with Mexico and the EU, we all slap back hard causing massive inflation in the US. The Maga Hoard will finally turn on their cult felon leader when they can't afford to live.

You seem to really dig this 51 state idea. Perhaps it is time to apply for your green card and go live your dream of being an American.
 
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richaceg

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Reading is your friend!

Conservatives and Republicans want to cut programs for the less fortunate to give it to folks well off in the way of tax cuts. Now tell us who the selfish POS is, go ahead.


US government spending has not slowed under Trump so far, data shows

no, reading is YOUR problem...not because you don't know h ow to read...we're in a forum and have exchanges....your problem is you're only reading on sites you like...so basically you're only drinking the koolaid flavor you like...so tell me, is there no wasteful spending in Canada under Trudeau? wasteful spending in US under Biden? not a hard question to answer...
 
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no, reading is YOUR problem...not because you don't know h ow to read...we're in a forum and have exchanges....your problem is you're only reading on sites you like...so basically you're only drinking the koolaid flavor you like...so tell me, is there no wasteful spending in Canada under Trudeau? wasteful spending in US under Biden? not a hard question to answer...
Reading is not knowing.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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I still think everything will turn out allright with all these tariffs.
Trump might be looking for concessions, and if/when he gets them he'll probably back off the tariffs for the most part.

We shall see
 
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But you cannot just move operations into the US overnight. That takes time.
I read somewhere it takes minimum 2 years to move one factory over to another location, and make it operationally.
In the meantime the US could fall into a recession
Yes, but I think the point is it's neither impossible nor relatively difficult for multinational companies.

A change in policy direction that demonstrates the U.S. will not underwrite foreign trade and provide unconditional support to American companies manufacturing abroad will likely change long-run business decisions. Economists would say there is a risk cost to extending your supply chains and investing in countries with higher risk. For example, American manufacturers had been underweighting the risks associated with investing in China.

This doesn't even consider the impact of extended supply chains during 2020-2022.
 
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I still think everything will turn out allright with all these tariffs.
Trump might be looking for concessions, and if/when he gets them he'll probably back off the tariffs for the most part.

We shall see
I think he will only back down when he sees the economic fuckery being created in America with stocks being clobbered and increased jobless numbers. And this morning it seems the White House is saying there is more room for negotiations before tariff implementation. It may be OK-ish.
 
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DOW is down over 800 points the last 5 days
 

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Yes, but I think the point is it's neither impossible nor relatively difficult for multinational companies.

A change in policy direction that demonstrates the U.S. will not underwrite foreign trade and provide unconditional support to American companies manufacturing abroad will likely change long-run business decisions. Economists would say there is a risk cost to extending your supply chains and investing in countries with higher risk. For example, American manufacturers had been underweighting the risks associated with investing in China.

This doesn't even consider the impact of extended supply chains during 2020-2022.
but of course he (Trump) wants concessions...something that hasn't happen in quite a while...Trump is the product of democrats and republican Rhino's fuckery...they have dipped their hands on the cookie jar for way too long without reducing national debt... US under those administrations think US tax funds is a bottomless pit along with the US allies who think US will fix everyone's problems...Trump changed the game..."you want US to help? show us the money"
 

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Yes, but I think the point is it's neither impossible nor relatively difficult for multinational companies.

A change in policy direction that demonstrates the U.S. will not underwrite foreign trade and provide unconditional support to American companies manufacturing abroad will likely change long-run business decisions. Economists would say there is a risk cost to extending your supply chains and investing in countries with higher risk. For example, American manufacturers had been underweighting the risks associated with investing in China.

This doesn't even consider the impact of extended supply chains during 2020-2022.
Apple evaluated under Steve Jobs on how to make the iPhone in the US. It turned unfeasible. Unless Apple was willing to make between 10 and 15% markup instead of 80% on each phone.

It`s the same for so many industries...
 

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One concession Trump might seek from Trudeau is increase NATO spending per GDP.
Currently we sit at less than 1.5%, which is way too low!

There is no such thing as NATO spending.
At best you can find (although not in the document you linked) defence spending on common infrastructure.

Now, almost everyone in NATO is going to increase defence spending, since the world looks increasingly unstable and countries also need to guard against increased belligerence from the United States along with it being a less-reliable defence ally internationally.
 

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A union representing manufacturing blue-collar American workers, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO SAY at the thought of manufacturing coming back? Come on Wyatt, what does this have to do with Democratic governments? Talk about a deflection. It is amazing how you pretzel your thoughts to defend your cult felon Prez.
The left wing of the Democratic party has supported tariffs. Bernie Sanders campaigned for President on tariffs in 2016. He has now taken a more measured approach to tariffs as it has become a political demarcation with Trump's policies. Sanders has not walked back his support of tariffs in general.

In today's political environment, tariffs are best described as populist policy. Populist elements exist in both U.S. political parties and often their policies overlap.

You can question how Trump is using tariffs. You can question if his approach with Canada is fair and reasonable. You can call him whatever you prefer. However, it's not accurate to state tariffs are a right wing policy tool.


 

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no, reading is YOUR problem...not because you don't know h ow to read...we're in a forum and have exchanges....your problem is you're only reading on sites you like...so basically you're only drinking the koolaid flavor you like...so tell me, is there no wasteful spending in Canada under Trudeau? wasteful spending in US under Biden? not a hard question to answer...
Yeah, that's pretty much the nature of politics—every government overspends, and people just argue over what counts as "wasteful" versus "necessary." One side's "investment" is the other side's "reckless spending." Rinse and repeat.

I actually watch Fox, PBD, Maga Twat podcasts to hear the nonsense and bullshit and then sure enough I hear the same nonsense posted here from the angry righties.
 
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Yeah, that's pretty much the nature of politics—every government overspends, and people just argue over what counts as "wasteful" versus "necessary." One side's "investment" is the other side's "reckless spending." Rinse and repeat.

I actually watch Fox, PBD, Maga Twat podcasts to hear the nonsense and bullshit and then sure enough I hear the same nonsense posted here from the angry righties.
maybe you just don't understand what POV means... I am not in favor of tariffs, but it actually have almost zero effect on the line of business i'm into, add the fact that most competitor I have carry US products...so a Canadian retaliatory tariff on US products will actually have a positive effect..(if it does happen)...
NOw imagine if you're an American and you watch DOGE uncover all the wasteful spendings of your tax dollars...it won't sit right with majority of the tax payers to see their funds go to other countries when they themselves are suffering.
 

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The left wing of the Democratic party has supported tariffs. Bernie Sanders campaigned for President on tariffs in 2016. He has now taken a more measured approach to tariffs as it has become a political demarcation with Trump's policies. Sanders has not walked back his support of tariffs in general.

In today's political environment, tariffs are best described as populist policy. Populist elements exist in both U.S. political parties and often their policies overlap.

You can question how Trump is using tariffs. You can question if his approach with Canada is fair and reasonable. You can call him whatever you prefer. However, it's not accurate to state tariffs are a right wing policy tool.


First off, did you read the articles?

Firstly, these articles are very very old and Bernie's only beef is trading with countries like China and Mexico, who do not pay fair wages, NOT countries like Canada where our minimum wage is above that of the US. The only mention of tariffs is made regarding Trump, not Bernie.

You have brought Prezteling to a fine art, Trump should hire you as Elon's assistant.
 

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maybe you just don't understand what POV means... I am not in favor of tariffs, but it actually have almost zero effect on the line of business i'm into, add the fact that most competitor I have carry US products...so a Canadian retaliatory tariff on US products will actually have a positive effect..(if it does happen)...
NOw imagine if you're an American and you watch DOGE uncover all the wasteful spendings of your tax dollars...it won't sit right with majority of the tax payers to see their funds go to other countries when they themselves are suffering.
First off, your first paragraph shows your selfishness. It doesn't affect me either but I know it's an attack on Canada and an attempt to anexx us, yet you bend over and tell them, come right in.

As for DOGE, you once again have bought into the bullshit and nonsense. It's a shame you're not a federal worker in the US, working over 20 years and now being told your job is about to be cancelled.

PS....have you applied for your green card yet?
 
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WyattEarp

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First off, did you read the articles?

Firstly, these articles are very very old and Bernie's only beef is trading with countries like China and Mexico, who do not pay fair wages, NOT countries like Canada where our minimum wage is above that of the US. The only mention of tariffs is made regarding Trump, not Bernie.

You have brought Prezteling to a fine art, Trump should hire you as Elon's assistant.
Don't tell us the articles are very old. Sanders was co-authoring tariff legislation as recently as 2023.

I've said repeatedly that you can deem Trump's tariff policies with Canada unreasonable.

The point is you can't oppose tariffs as right wing policy. They are not strictly right wing policy. That's all I said. I did not defend a specific tariff action.
 

richaceg

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First off, your first paragraph shows your selfishness. It doesn't affect me either but I know it's an attack on Canada and an attempt to anexx us, yet you bend over and tell them, come right in.

As for DOGE, you once again have bought into the bullshit and nonsense. It's a shame you're not a federal worker in the US, working over 20 years and now being told your job is about to be cancelled.

PS....have you applied for your green card yet?
CLinton shaved off the federal work force...so did Barrack...they call it trimming the fat. you don't reward laziness. It isn't an attack on Canada...you just feel that way because it's Trump...Canada can make concessions with other countries... heck we should make concessions with Ukraine since we're helping them...
 
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