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Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

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Valcazar said:
Ahh, so you completely misunderstand my argument.
At this point I am just going to assume it is willful obtuseness at this point.
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These are the same discussions we had during the summer, where you argued it was pointless to try to change the system through protest or political pressure.
You repeatedly argued that only voting counts and it was wasting your vote if you didn't pick one of Harris or trump.
I repeatedly warned that Gaza could be a deciding factor and that Harris was likely to lose the election over the issue.


I think it is a lost cause, here.
He is strongly opposed to working to change the system for the better.
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On the contrary, I supported trying to force change in all ways. Through protests, through political pressure, through the courts and all manners possible. That trying to change the party was the only way to make the dems electable.
You repeatedly said that the only thing that counted was voting to keep trump out of power.

Now trump is in power.
 
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Frankfooter said:
That logic works for any candidate.
If the goal is to 'not waste' your vote by voting for a loser than you have to pick whoever is going to win.
Once it became clear trump was winning, using valcazar logic, you wasted your vote by voting for Harris.

Personally, I think democracy is better served by voting for who you want to lead.
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No it does not work for every candidate.
You are wasting your vote if you are voting for anyone other than Trump or Harris.
In the US, in a 2 party system, you know even before the election that the winner is going to be either the Republican candidate or the Democrat.
Everyone else competes, but they are largely irrelevant.
So any vote you give to someone like Stein, gets you Trump, who is not good for your cause.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
No it does not work for every candidate.
You are wasting your vote if you are voting for anyone other than Trump or Harris.
In the US, in a 2 party system, you know even before the election that the winner is going to be either the Republican candidate or the Democrat.
Everyone else competes, but they are largely irrelevant.
So any vote you give to someone like Stein, gets you Trump, who is not good for your cause.
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If you voted for Harris you wasted your vote just as much as if you voted for Stein.
They lost.

Its a stupid argument, but the one that valcazar pushes.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Every Palestinian prisoner reports rape or torture.
Every single one.
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Some rando on twitter makes the accusation against israel so it must be true but ICC charging Hamas with systemic use of rape is fake news. How dumb or full of hate does someone need to be to reject reality in favour or troll farms?
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
No it does not work for every candidate.
You are wasting your vote if you are voting for anyone other than Trump or Harris.
In the US, in a 2 party system, you know even before the election that the winner is going to be either the Republican candidate or the Democrat.
Everyone else competes, but they are largely irrelevant.
So any vote you give to someone like Stein, gets you Trump, who is not good for your cause.
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Frank wanted Trump because peace would make it harder for him to spam us with troll posts demonizing Israel.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
No it does not work for every candidate.
You are wasting your vote if you are voting for anyone other than Trump or Harris.
In the US, in a 2 party system, you know even before the election that the winner is going to be either the Republican candidate or the Democrat.
Everyone else competes, but they are largely irrelevant.
So any vote you give to someone like Stein, gets you Trump, who is not good for your cause.
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No one is ever going to accuse you of being a big thinker.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Every Palestinian prisoner reports rape or torture.
Every single one.
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And they claim that all of their videos are real. I liked the one where they bandaged up a healthy little boy and smeared fake blood on it after tearing his shirt. And then there was that Arab actor who made about 37 videos with him on his death bed in half of them. Nobody believes the shit that gets posted, including what they report happened.

And any real ones always lose credibility because of the volume of fake ones.
 
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Some rando on twitter makes the accusation against israel so it must be true but ICC charging Hamas with systemic use of rape is fake news. How dumb or full of hate does someone need to be to reject reality in favour or troll farms?
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The ICC is charging Netanyahu with extermination, the ICJ with genocide.
How fucked in the head do you have to be to think you're on the good team when you're doing genocide.

Reports say Israel was using electroshock torture on a doctor.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889974529927282732

 
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shack said:
And they claim that all of their videos are real. I liked the one where they bandaged up a healthy little boy and smeared fake blood on it after tearing his shirt. And then there was that Arab actor who made about 37 videos with him on his death bed in half of them. Nobody believes the shit that gets posted, including what they report happened.

And any real ones always lose credibility because of the volume of fake ones.
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You think people believe genocidal racists instead?

Just read the news.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1888570656016503041
 
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As I said that I believe, with proof, that there have been a very large amount of pics and vids from hamas that are totally fraudulent.
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What proof? All I see are amateurish Ziowood videos from Ziontology posters.
 
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Klatuu said:
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You seem discombobulated.
This is not about the campaign the dems ran.
This is about the choice facing pro-Palestinians.
Despite the campaign, who should they have voted for?
It isn't like the Dems who voted for Harris particularly liked her campaign either and I think most can agree on that.
But in a 2 party system where the end result is going to be Trump or Harris, who should you choose if you are a pro-Palestinian?
This is about the practical choice, the lesser of 2 evils and you don't seem to grasp this.
 
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