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[Butler1000]

What a not well thought out, emotionally charged response. You present a false dichotomy - suggesting that the only choices are either universal healthcare or a system that is cruel, profit-driven, and indifferent to human suffering. The reality is far more complex.

Healthcare is not just a “right”. It is far more complex than that. You can’t just turn on universal healthcare without massive trade offs. We are 40b in debt. We can’t add another 70b and plunge everyone into economic chaos in order to save some dad dying of cancer. I will always take the 80/20 principle on implementing policies.

You are a tiny country by population and don’t have the same burdens as the US. You can implement things like this contingent your economy doesn’t fail.

You can. You are the richest nation on the planet.

And again. You are placing profit above people. Just own it. Just say "I think poorer people should die, and be worse off, so I can be better off, because I think I am better than them"

Implementation is easy. Gradually increase in Medicare eligibility, coupled with price controls on services, malpractice tort reform, and the rest sorts itself out in the market. Insurance companies adjust, drug companies adjust(they are lying to you, most drug research is done via govt grants through university research. Or to their own facilities), over the course of 10-20 years tops.

Start with coverage to kids. Cover to age 18. Then gradually up the age. They are actually the cheaper medical expense ones, generally needing less, and also have the least income and need more help with that.

It's just political will. It can be done. And all the money both businesses and individuals pay to insurance companies and providers who overcharge will easily balance it out. It will in fact cost less. Numbers don't lie.

But insurance companies do. Drug companies do. CEO's do. And politicians at the behest of donors do.

 

[PeterParker1000]

You can. You are the richest nation on the planet.

And again. You are placing profit above people. Just own it. Just say "I think poorer people should die, and be worse off, so I can be better off, because I think I am better than them"

Implementation is easy. Gradually increase in Medicare eligibility, coupled with price controls on services, malpractice tort reform, and the rest sorts itself out in the market. Insurance companies adjust, drug companies adjust(they are lying to you, most drug research is done via govt grants through university research. Or to their own facilities), over the course of 10-20 years tops.

Start with coverage to kids. Cover to age 18. Then gradually up the age. They are actually the cheaper medical expense ones, generally needing less, and also have the least income and need more help with that.

It's just political will. It can be done. And all the money both businesses and individuals pay to insurance companies and providers who overcharge will easily balance it out. It will in fact cost less. Numbers don't lie.

But insurance companies do. Drug companies do. CEO's do. And politicians at the behest of donors do.

Gradually increasing destabilizes the market. That is just going to drive up private insurance costs. Providers are also going to say no thanks and opt out of the network. Different private insurance networks will develop.

R&D costs aren’t a lie. Yes pharma tries very hard to lobby for government grants and they succeed but it’s still a fraction of the total r&d costs. I’ve been involved in this.

Malpractice costs make up a small fraction of healthcare spend.

There are too many political hurdles and push back from pharma with this plan. It won’t work.

 

[Butler1000]

Gradually increasing destabilizes the market. That is just going to drive up private insurance costs. Providers are also going to say no thanks and opt out of the network. Different private insurance networks will develop.

R&D costs aren’t a lie. Yes pharma tries very hard to lobby for government grants and they succeed but it’s still a fraction of the total r&d costs. I’ve been involved in this.

Malpractice costs make up a small fraction of healthcare spend.

There are too many political hurdles and push back from pharma with this plan. It won’t work.

You really don't get it for you?

They way it works is providers are not given the choice. It's one payer. The government. Providers are not allowed to run private clinic except for certain elective surgery. And they are not allowed to turn away patients or deny care. Where are providers going to opt out too?

We had the fight here. Doctors lost. Guess what? They found out they like being paid guaranteed and also not have to chase for fees. Lower malpractice fees( US pays anywhere from 5000 to 100,100,000 per year) along with lower payouts.

Insurance companies here offer limited coverage, usually for dental, prescription, physio/chiro, occasional eye glass, private hospital room, and the like. We are continuing to try to add more to the public model.

But in the USA it isn't a public "option" that Biden lied about. It's Medicare for all. The insurers are out. The providers are guaranteed payment, but on a price schedule.

 

[richaceg]

I have no evidence?
My evidence is Trump and Elon going after FEMA and CFPB.
That is out there in the public sphere.
And as far as the expenses go they are presenting screenshots from usaspending.gov.
It is a cover on top of not adhering to protocols and operating without oversight and acting on a whim.

Saying Trump and Elon going after fema isn't evidence...it's an opinion...auditing an department isn't "going after" it...it's part of the executive branch to govern efficient...saying these department shouldn't be audited is the dumbest take...

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Saying Trump and Elon going after fema isn't evidence...it's an opinion...auditing an department isn't "going after" it...it's part of the executive branch to govern efficient...saying these department shouldn't be audited is the dumbest take...

They are not auditing.
They are not auditors.
He has no clue about federal agencies function or what he is auditing.
He has no expertise.
He is simply gutting agencies that would function as checks and balances against him and using cover stories to dupe the public.
And he is trying to gut agencies on a whim.
But of course as a loyal Trump devotee, you would buy anything he tweets out.

 

[PeterParker1000]

They are not auditing.
They are not auditors.
He has no clue about federal agencies function or what he is auditing.
He has no expertise.
He is simply gutting agencies that would function as checks and balances against him and using cover stories to dupe the public.
And he is trying to gut agencies on a whim.
But of course as a loyal Trump devotee, you would buy anything he tweets out.

FEMA paid out millions to house migrants and sent a payment of $59M just recently. They lied and said they weren’t doing this. There are people still suffering from the hurricane effects in NC. Why would you not audit an agency that is lying to you. Why would you not shut down an organization that uses funds on something that is against what you told your voters. Any sane and competent leader would do the same.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

FEMA paid out millions to house migrants and sent a payment of $59M just recently. This when they lied and said they weren’t. There are people still suffering from the hurricane effects in NC. Why would you audit an agency that is lying to you. Why would you not shut down an organization that uses funds on something that is against what you told your voters. Any sane and competent leader would do the same.

Because saying "they sent 59M for migrants" is just the simple minded narrative Elon and Trump want you to consider.
The simpler and more outrageous it sounds the better it is.
But you'd need to go into details of what the 59M was for, who it was sent to, what it was used for. Same with your accusation of them lying.
No one is overseeing the details of any of these "audits".
WTF does Elon know about auditing a federal agency or emergency management?
Create a simplistic narrative, make things seem outrageous and then perform an "audit" and then say you found malpractice with no explanation or evidence.
And tweet those out and everyone in the MAGA cult drinks the kool aid. lol

 

[danmand]

Because saying "they sent 59M for migrants" is just the simple minded narrative Elon and Trump want you to consider.
The simpler and more outrageous it sounds the better it is.
But you'd need to go into details of what the 59M was for, who it was sent to, what it was used for. Same with your accusation of them lying.
No one is overseeing the details of any of these "audits".
WTF does Elon know about auditing a federal agency or emergency management?
Create a simplistic narrative, make things seem outrageous and then perform an "audit" and then say you found malpractice with no explanation or evidence.
And tweet those out and everyone in the MAGA cult drinks the kool aid. lol

The question I have, is it worse to spend money on housing immigrants and aid poor people around the world, then to spend money on siding some billionaires cockamamie idea of colonizing Mars.

If I was an American, I would rather help educate poor children.

 

[mandrill]

What a not well thought out, emotionally charged response. You present a false dichotomy - suggesting that the only choices are either universal healthcare or a system that is cruel, profit-driven, and indifferent to human suffering. The reality is far more complex.

Healthcare is not just a “right”. It is far more complex than that. You can’t just turn on universal healthcare without massive trade offs. We are 40b in debt. We can’t add another 70b and plunge everyone into economic chaos in order to save some dad dying of cancer. I will always take the 80/20 principle on implementing policies.

You are a tiny country by population and don’t have the same burdens as the US. You can implement things like this contingent your economy doesn’t fail.

Tax your fucking billionaires and then you can make sure mothers can get medical care for their sick fucking children!!!!

Every other Western democracy manages to do this!!!!

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The question I have, is it worse to spend money on housing immigrants and aid poor people around the world, then to spend money on siding some billionaires cockamamie idea of colonizing Mars.

If I was an American, I would rather help educate poor children.

MAGA are a very brainwashed group.
They will literally vote against their interests to benefit billionaires.

 

[richaceg]

Tax your fucking billionaires and then you can make sure mothers can get medical care for their sick fucking children!!!!

Every other Western democracy manages to do this!!!!

Trump is taxing billionaires and no tax on tips overtime and social security...what the fuck has the democrats done for the past 3 years?

 

[PeterParker1000]

Tax your fucking billionaires and then you can make sure mothers can get medical care for their sick fucking children!!!!

Every other Western democracy manages to do this!!!!

When you become old men, do you get more emphathetic and emotional or is it just a Canada thing.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

When you become old men, do you get more emphathetic and emotional or is it just a Canada thing.

Its more of a human thing.

 

[PeterParker1000]

The question I have, is it worse to spend money on housing immigrants and aid poor people around the world, then to spend money on siding some billionaires cockamamie idea of colonizing Mars.

If I was an American, I would rather help educate poor children.

Forget poor people and immigrants. What about just help Americans. Why can’t it be that simple. Many are not doing well and they are middle class. Maybe they were hit by the LA fires, or the east coast hurricanes. Maybe their families are now broken because of Fentanyl. Why poor people and immigrants. Focus on Americans, and then if there is money left over, do the other stuff.

 

[richaceg]

They are not auditing.
They are not auditors.
He has no clue about federal agencies function or what he is auditing.
He has no expertise.
He is simply gutting agencies that would function as checks and balances against him and using cover stories to dupe the public.
And he is trying to gut agencies on a whim.
But of course as a loyal Trump devotee, you would buy anything he tweets out.

So far their audit turn out a success...uncovered a lot of wasteful spending

They are not auditing.
They are not auditors.
He has no clue about federal agencies function or what he is auditing.
He has no expertise.
He is simply gutting agencies that would function as checks and balances against him and using cover stories to dupe the public.
And he is trying to gut agencies on a whim.
But of course as a loyal Trump devotee, you would buy anything he tweets out.

So far the audit was a success...

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Forget poor people and immigrants. What about just help Americans. Why can’t it be that simple. Many are not doing well and they are middle class.

Sounds like either cognitive dissonance or mental gymnastics to me lol.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So far their audit turn out a success...uncovered a lot of wasteful spending
So far the audit was a success...

Yeah successful in gutting programs that helped people for which the American people will pay.
By the way, all this money saved, how is it being returned back to the tax payer?

 

[PeterParker1000]

Sounds like either cognitive dissonance or mental gymnastics to me lol.

You consider middle class as poor? I see you only ever defending immigrants, migrants, and refugees

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You consider middle class as poor? I see you only ever defending immigrants, migrants, and refugees

Yes I defend immigrants, migrants, refugees, poor people and marginalized groups.
As one should in a robust democracy like we have here in Canada.
So you mean help Americans unless they are poor?
Great, go say that to all the poor white minimum wage earning MAGA members who voted for Trump in droves.
I guess they are SOL.

 

[PeterParker1000]

Yes I defend immigrants, migrants, refugees, poor people and marginalized groups.
As one should in a robust democracy like we have here in Canada.
So you mean help Americans unless they are poor?
Great, go say that to all the poor white minimum wage earning MAGA members who voted for Trump in droves.
I guess they are SOL.

So you hate white people? In a robust democracy like you have in Canada, as one must?