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Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

Shaquille Oatmeal

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No, the poll was people voted for Biden in 2020 and chose not to vote at all in 2024. Biden received 12 million more votes than Harris.
That is something you just made up.
Or they should have voted for Stein instead of voting for someone who was actively aiding and funding genocide.
Which is what they did and it got them Trump. Good luck. Hope you watched the clip.
 

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That is something you just made up.
nope

Which is what they did and it got them Trump. Good luck. Hope you watched the clip.
Blame the dems for putting Harris on the ticket and not forcing her to respect the views of 80% of her own party.
Don't blame voters who decided they could not vote for someone aiding genocide.


 
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I know you've linked this poll over and over.
But the poll does not draw the conclusions you say it does.
You just made that up.
Your link shows that a minority of Biden 2020 voters did not vote for Harris in 2024.
Of that minority 29% didn't do so because of Gaza, which is a subset of a subset.
No one knows how many voters this 29% amount to.
 
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You asked the wrong question.

You should ask what the US could have done to make sure an Oct 7 wouldn't happen. That would have been to force Israel to end apartheid, the blockade and the illegal occupation.
Laughable. One way or another hamas was going to attack. Aside from walking into the sea, there is nothing the Jews of Israel (frank calls them Zionists) could do to prevent hamas from launching a terror attack.
 
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I know you've linked this poll over and over.
But the poll does not draw the conclusions you say it does.
You just made that up.
Your link shows that a minority of Biden 2020 voters did not vote for Harris in 2024.
Of that minority 29% didn't do so because of Gaza, which is a subset of a subset.
No one knows how many voters this 29% amount to.
12 million people voted for Biden and wouldn't vote for Harris.
The number one reason according to that poll was Gaza.

More than enough to win the election.

80% of dems backed a ceasefire.
 
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Laughable. One way or another hamas was going to attack. Aside from walking into the sea, there is nothing the Jews of Israel (frank calls them Zionists) could do to prevent hamas from launching a terror attack.
Every accusation is a confession.

Your racial hatred of Palestinians has lead you to supporting wiping Palestine off the maps, and because you support genocide you think that means Palestinians must think the same way you do.

If you want peace, end the illegal occupation of Palestine.
Give them back their land and pay restitution as the UN has demanded.


 
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shack

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12 million people voted for Biden and wouldn't vote for Harris.
The number one reason according to that poll was Gaza.

More than enough to win the election.

80% of dems backed a ceasefire.
I love checking your sources. As measured by Allsides, who rates media bias:
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Your Data for Progress is rated as far left as you can get and the bottom line:

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You seem to consistently use obscure, biased and sketchy sources. You might have more credibility with more credible sources.
 

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Laughable. One way or another hamas was going to attack. Aside from walking into the sea, there is nothing the Jews of Israel (frank calls them Zionists) could do to prevent hamas from launching a terror attack.
Moldy Ziontology racism. But it works well with people who don’t know the history of the Middle East.
 
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Confidence Level
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Are you reading comprehension challenged? This says nothing about the credibility of Data for Progress. It is, in fact, an admission by ALLSIDES that it doesn’t have have high confidence in the rating of Data for Progress as left. That’s all.

How thick can you get?
 
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Klatuu

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That is something you just made up.

Which is what they did and it got them Trump. Good luck. Hope you watched the clip.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t insist that the Pro Palestinian votes made no difference and then turn around and say voting that way got Trump elected

I can repost your comments if you insist on wriggling.

You need to own Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris. They gift wrapped Trump for us and deliberately set the stage for the proposed ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
 
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Isn't it nice to see leftists quarrel over Gaza and Israel? Trump already handed you guys a gift when he managed to make the ceasefire happen...he also want to help...Make Gaza Great Again...
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Sure, what does knowing the true history have to do with understanding anything?
The true history is important if you want to discuss the origins of the conflict.
However the true history isn't going to help if your objective is to prove that Israel shouldn't exist.
And true history isn't going to help if you want to make a choice between Harris or Trump.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t insist that the Pro Palestinian votes made no difference and then turn around and say voting that way got Trump elected
The quotes of mine you posted don't actually say explicitly that pro-Palestinian votes made a huge difference.
But I can see why you'd read it that way and when you brought it up I clarified it in a prior reply both to you and Frankfooter.
See above.
It is true the war wasn't such a decisive factor in swaying the election.
I am merely talking about the pro-Palestinian voters and the choice they should have made instead of Trump or someone else.
Because I was told "What is the worst that could happen" before the election.
It is true that in the end it wouldn't have made a difference and Harris would have still lost, albeit with a narrower margin.
The election was not close enough for the war to be a decisive factor.
The dems lost because of moderate democrats in swing states for whom Palestine is not the most important issue.
I am merely debating for your side.
In that their choice to vote for Trump or someone else, hurt them.
 

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12 million people voted for Biden and wouldn't vote for Harris.
The number one reason according to that poll was Gaza.

More than enough to win the election.

80% of dems backed a ceasefire.
The Americans don't give a shit about Gaza. Only a mere percentage of the U.S. population who voted had Gaza crossed their minds. The election had nothing to do with the war and their decisions, nobody gives a shit lol
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Here is Trump telling King Abdullah still pushing ethnic cleansing and putting him on the spot and making him uncomfortable.lol.
Marco Rubio sitting there with his foot in his mouth lmao.
 
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Frankfooter

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I love checking your sources. As measured by Allsides, who rates media bias:
Data for Progress Media Bias | AllSides

Your Data for Progress is rated as far left as you can get and the bottom line:

Confidence Level
As of February 2025, AllSides has low or initial confidence in our Left rating for Data for Progress. If we perform more bias reviews and gather consistent data, this confidence level will increase.

You seem to consistently use obscure, biased and sketchy sources. You might have more credibility with more credible sources.
The same numbers came out in this poll as well. As usual, you are wrong.
 
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Frankfooter

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The true history is important if you want to discuss the origins of the conflict.
However the true history isn't going to help if your objective is to prove that Israel shouldn't exist.
If you knew the true history you wouldn't make the moldy zionist accusation that this is about the existence of Israel and not the lack of existence of Palestine.


And true history isn't going to help if you want to make a choice between Harris or Trump.
You ignore all other choices because you want to blame trump's election on voters who wouldn't vote for genocide instead of politicians that support genocide.

The quotes of mine you posted don't actually say explicitly that pro-Palestinian votes made a huge difference.
But I can see why you'd read it that way and when you brought it up I clarified it in a prior reply both to you and Frankfooter.
Its a fair complaint, you argue both that the largest protests in the US couldn't affect an election decided by 1.4% and then declare that Palestinian supporters are to blame for trump being in power. You need to choose one of those as being true. Either admit that Harris lost the election over support of genocide so you can blame Palestine supporters or blame someone else for trump's election.
 
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