Level Of Democrat Panic Over Musk Freezing USAID "Unlike Anything Ever Seen"

Valcazar

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so it's ok to spend 130 million dollars in useless stuff because it's only .3%? LoL...nice way to sweep this under the rug...the left and democrats are in denial at this point....Trump can do no right, despite gutting useless spendings...he's still bad... keep the meltdown...it's only been a month...
If your objection is that they are spending too much on these things, then the fact this is less than 1 percent of the spending implies you should be supportive of USAID.

But again, the important thing here is that you aren't even pretending this is waste or fraud anymore.
You just object to Congress having the power of the purse and want an unconstitutional seizure of the funds.
 
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So?

He has claimed the right to stop any payments he doesn't like and continue the ones he likes.
The groups paying him will get funding.
He has to get Trump to sign the executive order to do anything. He has not claimed any power, he just reviews agencies and send recommendations to the Prez.
 

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If your objection is that they are spending too much on these things, then the fact this is less than 1 percent of the spending implies you should be supportive of USAID.

But again, the important thing here is that you aren't even pretending this is waste or fraud anymore.
You just object to Congress having the power of the purse and want an unconstitutional seizure of the funds.
USAID was started with good intentions, feed the poor and starving and assist development. It is WAYY off that path. Why is it funding media? It is now using food as a weapon and for control. Its sponsoring anti govt groups to overthrow legitaimate govts, causing violence and chaos.
 
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If your objection is that they are spending too much on these things, then the fact this is less than 1 percent of the spending implies you should be supportive of USAID.

But again, the important thing here is that you aren't even pretending this is waste or fraud anymore.
You just object to Congress having the power of the purse and want an unconstitutional seizure of the funds.
"unconstitutional seizure of funds" quite a ring to it...the funds have been frozen....not seized.if there are questionable spendings, it's rather appropriate to make smarter decisions...it's a new government....why are you hellbent on not reviewing USAID's funding? who benefits if they stop funding for "sesame street" in Iraq?
 

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was it tax payers money?
Val can’t handle the truth…
democratic party is freaking out…They ” Democratic Party now will have no money to pay for voter fraud!!! LOL. I predict Landside in midterm election for republicans. And the California and New York will turn blue…. all the black vote will go to Republican Party.
 

Valcazar

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"unconstitutional seizure of funds" quite a ring to it...the funds have been frozen....not seized.
The Executive doesn't have the right to impound funds appropriated by Congress.
And yes, freezing the funds and then spending them elsewhere is an unconstitutional seizure of funds.

if there are questionable spendings, it's rather appropriate to make smarter decisions...
And there are legal avenues to do this, but that's not what they chose to do.
They also didn't pause "questionable" spendings.
They froze everything and announced they are killing the agency.

it's a new government....
Yes.
A lawless one.

why are you hellbent on not reviewing USAID's funding?
I'm not.
The funding is reviewed regularly.
I'm against the entirely illegal approach Musk and Trump are taking.

who benefits if they stop funding for "sesame street" in Iraq?
Trump and Musk.
They show they can impound monies assigned by Congress and defy the Constitution.
Once they've taken that power from Congress, they won't be giving it back.
Plus, breaking the law and getting away with it is always an effective demonstration of power.
And, of course, that's not all they are stopping funding on.
There are people who will die because of this due to the clinical trials stopped and medical supplies not delivered.
Which, to be fair, is probably also part of the point, given both of them have strong ideas about eugenics.
 

Valcazar

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Val can’t handle the truth…
LOL

democratic party is freaking out…They ” Democratic Party now will have no money to pay for voter fraud!!! LOL. I predict Landside in midterm election for republicans. And the California and New York will turn blue…. all the black vote will go to Republican Party.
Yup.
Clearly you are all about truth and reality. :rolleyes:
 

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All this tarrif and DOGE sh*t is a viel, Trump will claim that Elon cut a huge amount of government waste and he will say that the US now is now super rich due to tariffs and that another tax cut to the rich is a good idea.

Only the Colonel and his posse of 11 herbs and spices can stop Trump.
 
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USAID was started with good intentions, feed the poor and starving and assist development. It is WAYY off that path. Why is it funding media? It is now using food as a weapon and for control. Its sponsoring anti govt groups to overthrow legitaimate govts, causing violence and chaos.
It was always used politically.
Doesn't mean that some of that money wasn't needed and does mean it won't easily be replaced or renewed again.
 

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Remarkably light on evidence, your post is.
To be clear, what the @DOGE team and @USTreasury have jointly agreed makes sense is the following:

- Require that all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code, which is necessary in order to pass financial audits. This is frequently left blank, making audits almost impossible.

- All payments must also include a rationale for the payment in the comment field, which is currently left blank. Importantly, we are not yet applying ANY judgment to this rationale, but simply requiring that SOME attempt be made to explain the payment more than NOTHING!

- The DO-NOT-PAY list of entities known to be fraudulent or people who are dead or are probable fronts for terrorist organizations or do not match Congressional appropriations must actually be implemented and not ignored. Also, it can currently take up to a year to get on this list, which is far too long. This list should be updated at least weekly, if not daily.

The above super obvious and necessary changes are being implemented by existing, long-time career government employees, not anyone from @DOGE
. It is ridiculous that these changes didn’t exist already!

Yesterday, I was told that there are currently over $100B/year of entitlements payments to individuals with no SSN or even a temporary ID number. If accurate, this is extremely suspicious.

When I asked if anyone at Treasury had a rough guess for what percentage of that number is unequivocal and obvious fraud, the consensus in the room was about half, so $50B/year or $1B/week!!

This is utterly insane and must be addressed immediately.

 

Valcazar

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To be clear, what the @DOGE team and @USTreasury have jointly agreed makes sense is the following:
Why completely change the subject when I point out your previous post had no evidence supporting it?
(I mean, neither does this one, but that's beside the point.)
 

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was it tax payers money?
In that case, I'm going to object to speed cameras in my neighourhood and get them banned and my tax dollars returned. Because - as a taxpayer - I have to right to a line-by-line veto of anything I dislike and a refund.
 

mandrill

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so it's ok to spend 130 million dollars in useless stuff because it's only .3%? LoL...nice way to sweep this under the rug...the left and democrats are in denial at this point....Trump can do no right, despite gutting useless spendings...he's still bad... keep the meltdown...it's only been a month...
You think it's useless. Other people think it's useful.

It should be properly audited and evaluated and that's not by Trump's pet, neo nazi plutocrat major donor.
 
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In that case, I'm going to object to speed cameras in my neighourhood and get them banned and my tax dollars returned. Because - as a taxpayer - I have to right to a line-by-line veto of anything I dislike and a refund.
That right is only given to Billionaires.
 
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If your objection is that they are spending too much on these things, then the fact this is less than 1 percent of the spending implies you should be supportive of USAID.

But again, the important thing here is that you aren't even pretending this is waste or fraud anymore.
You just object to Congress having the power of the purse and want an unconstitutional seizure of the funds.
Considering the use of omnibus bills I would contend that Congress doesn't actually know what they are voting on on a line by line basis. They get a 1000 page bill a few days before the vote.

It used to be the budget would be debated for months and pass through several committees. They spend more time with lobbyists and fundraisers now, and only work Tuesday-Thursday when actually in session.

So imo until they Congress actually reads what they are voting on they are not doing due diligence and living up to their job description, which allows the type of insert graft, pork barreling to occur.

You can say legally it is their job, but if they aren't doing it then someone has to step in.
 
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