Elon Musk dismantles USAID

[WyattEarp]

If you're concerned about "subterfuge", how does a team of sophomoric 25 year old frat boys snurffling into private government records help you?

Who do you think does the leg work for the Big 4 audit firms?

Like everything else that Tusk and Mrump are doing, shouldn't it be properly planned out, thoroughly debated and transparent? Rather than just an ad hoc bullshit jerk off uncontrolled power play?????

mandrill, Valcazar, Shaq, etc. listen to me, Trump is the Chief Executive of the United States of America. These are normal executive decisions. He's got limited time while the Democrats and the liberal media proclaim this is some travesty and an affront to Democracy. I have no idea what they are beefing about.

If expenditures are valid and the current Congress approves of them, they can be reinstated fairly quickly. We do have a $1.7 billion dollar deficit to consider.

 

[Valcazar]

I think that concern is subterfuge.

What I said is likely the new normal? More transparency of govt. payments.

Now if they need to look at personal data to get at who is the ultimate recipient of funds that too should be standard. I'm kind of surprised how quickly these guys are digging into govt. information. Again, it should be transparent.

But Musk and Trump aren't interested in transparency.
They will release information they want without letting people verify it.
They also took control of making the payments.
They have insisted on moving communications to places it can't be subject to FOIA.

 

[WyattEarp]

It is not a business.
But that is besides the point.
These are government programs, with sensitive information that an unaccountable, unelected, unconfirmed billionaire who bought himself into the administration, should not have any access to.
If he is going to look at it then have him confirmed via the senate, and set proper procedure and protocol for identifying wasteful programs, how much data is exposed to him and explaining why they need to be cut, and then follow proper established protocol.
Elon knows nothing about governing a country and he should not be shutting down programs without scrutiny based on a whim.

Congress can reinstate any program that they think is essential. All I here is a desire to oppose Trump because he acts aggressively. Perhaps progressives are also embarrassed by the opaque largesse in Washington. I have no idea why anyone thinks Trump can't turn off the government spigot. If certain expenditures were explicitly authorized by Congress, they should be left alone until voted down. All others are fair game.

To your point, if Elon requires Senate confirmation for his role our courts will sort this out. I'm don't think that is explicit in our laws. I'm sorry auditors are actually common in both business and government.

This will be wonderful example for Poilievre when he assumes control over Ottawa. However, I think we all realize much of the U.S.' spending problems result from having a U.S. Treasury credit card.

 

[WyattEarp]

But Musk and Trump aren't interested in transparency.
They will release information they want without letting people verify it.
They also took control of making the payments.
They have insisted on moving communications to places it can't be subject to FOIA.

Let me get this straight. You want to keep Musk, Trump and the American public away from the business records of the United States, but you are worried that their communications are outside the authority of a FOIA.

 

[Valcazar]

So you think we need oversight for the oversight.

Musk isn't doing oversight.
And yes, you always want oversight for the oversight.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

All I here is a desire to oppose Trump because he acts aggressively. I'm sorry auditors are actually common in both business and government.

Acting aggressively for optics without thought or protocol is useless and harmful.
And Elon is not an auditor of government programs.
He knows nothing about these programs and therefore there needs to be an established process for it.
Transparency goes both ways.
There needs to be transparency on what Elon is dong, how he is making decisions, what data is exposed to him, and on the impacts of whatever he is cutting.

 

[WyattEarp]

 

[WyattEarp]

Musk isn't doing oversight.
And yes, you always want oversight for the oversight.

I think you simply object to Musk on a personal level. Let's be real. You are always complaining about any public person who stands up against or in the way of progressives. The more aggressive they are the more you complain.

This is the nature of politics. You have to let go.

 

[Valcazar]

Are you saying those socially maladroit and personally unappealing fascist lads are virgins, sir?

They don't have to be.
They just have to be resentful that they aren't getting all the hot people they deserve.
I'm fairly confident in saying that seems likely.
Even if they turn out to be completely immune to such an approach for whatever reason, I am very confident it will be tried.

 

[Valcazar]

It is not a business.
But that is besides the point.
These are government programs, with sensitive information that an unaccountable, unelected, unconfirmed billionaire who bought himself into the administration, should not have any access to.
If he is going to look at it then have him confirmed via the senate, and set proper procedure and protocol for identifying wasteful programs, how much data is exposed to him and explaining why they need to be cut, and then follow proper established protocol.
Elon knows nothing about governing a country and he should not be shutting down programs without scrutiny based on a whim.

Even if anyone had elected Elon Musk to anything, the past week would still be one of the most serious examples of executive branch malfeasance in American history.

 

[WyattEarp]

Acting aggressively for optics without thought or protocol is useless and harmful.
And Elon is not an auditor of government programs.
He knows nothing about these programs and therefore there needs to be an established process for it.
Transparency goes both ways.
There needs to be transparency on what Elon is dong, how he is making decisions, what data is exposed to him, and on the impacts of whatever he is cutting.

He seems to be doing a pretty good job to me.

I'm glad he is exposing these frivolous expenditures and programs. I am approaching this from a different angle. If we had true transparency we wouldn't need Elon in the first place.

The twisted logic of arguing for transparency only finds life here because Washington isn't transparent at its root level.

 

[WyattEarp]

They don't have to be.
They just have to be resentful that they aren't getting all the hot people they deserve.
I'm fairly confident in saying that seems likely.

You do realize you described a good share of the people on the TERB political threads.

 

[WyattEarp]

Even if anyone had elected Elon Musk to anything, the past week would still be one of the most serious examples of executive branch malfeasance in American history.

What I hear is I don't like the Executive so I don't want him managing the Federal government.

I think the Courts will establish boundaries like they are and they will deem certain actions and activities within the normal authority of the Executive (POTUS).

 

[mitchell76]

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

He seems to be doing a pretty good job to me.

I'm glad he is exposing these frivolous expenditures and programs.

What are these programs he has cut? Is there a list?
How do you know they are frivolous?
What justifications and evidence has he provided you, that has convinced you that these are frivolous?

 

[WyattEarp]

Acting aggressively for optics without thought or protocol is useless and harmful.
And Elon is not an auditor of government programs.
He knows nothing about these programs and therefore there needs to be an established process for it.

You do realize these statements are merely criticisms of the methods.
They're not actually arguments that make the case for illegality.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You do realize these statements are merely criticisms of the methods.
They're not actually arguments that make the case for illegality.

I would rather call it corruption and abuse of power.
Your entire case rests on the fact that you dont find the government transparent and therefore you believe whatever Elon tells you.
In short you are just as much, in the dark now as you were before.

 

[WyattEarp]

What are these programs he has cut? Is there a list?
How do you know they are frivolous?
What justifications and evidence has he provided you, that has convinced you that these are frivolous?

Should we have another national vote on each item? A line item referendum on the $7 trillion dollar Federal budget.

You don't really understand the concept of our Executive Branch and who heads it. Maybe you do and you merely don't like our President.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887684248519184866

NEW: Chris Cuomo scrambles to deny Politico took $8.2 million in tax dollars to cover for Biden. This is a pathetic attempt at damage control. O’REILLY: “I didn’t know that the Biden administration paid Politico, a so-called journalistic outfit, $8 million to cover up for Biden. That’s what they did. They wouldn’t run the Hunter Biden laptop.” CUOMO: “We don’t know that that’s what it was. That’s not the story.” O’REILLY: “No, no. Their own employees of Politico said the reporters on the story would not run it.” CUOMO: “We don’t know that that’s why they didn’t run the story.” O’REILLY: “Okay, New York Times today. ‘Conspiracy about Politico.’ Then I knew the story was valid. As soon as you get the New York Times running interference for you, you know it’s true.”

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887655976091656393

Hunter Biden reportedly 'commandeered' the White House after Biden's disastrous debate with Trump: Lindy Li: "After the debate, Hunter basically commandeered the White House. He sat in on all of the White House top level meetings. We had a former cocaine addict sitting in on the most sensitive meetings of the most consequential and most important government in world history. Does that sit right with you?" Shawn Ryan: "No." Li: "Without security clearance mind you. That's basically who was running the show. Hunter basically batten down the hatches after the debate to make sure his father would only receive intel he pre-approved." The Biden administration makes a lot more sense if you view it through the prism of 'The brains of the operation was on crack'