Elon Musk dismantles USAID

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I think that concern is subterfuge.

What I said is likely the new normal? More transparency of govt. payments.

Now if they need to look at personal data to get at who is the ultimate recipient of funds that too should be standard. I'm kind of surprised how quickly these guys are digging into govt. information. Again, it should be transparent.
Why would you think that giving a racist billionaire personal control over how money is spent would be more transparent?
You think he would open his accounts and tell us what is happening at tesla as well?

He shut down USAID because he was being investigated

 

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It's a major gift to dictators everywhere.
If you've ever left the USA and lived in other countries for more than a week, USA and it's ideals and aid is part of the reason it was loved, whereas the Russia s and Chinese hated. USAID was the biggest and most effective ad campaign ever. Trump is unilaterally disarming, ceding the developing world to china.
Well done Don.
Ps BTW when you shut this stuff down suddenly, not only do you fuck over your American colleagues, you fuck overall the businesses that provide the aid, and you end up losing all sorts of food etc that will rot on the docks.
It's a special kind of stupid that does not analyze intense how things work before throwing the switch.
 

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Musk says naming 6 young men working for DOGE is a crime.
Of course he does.
He isn't spending all this effort doing things illegally an unethically for people to hold him and people in his employ accountable.
 
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Valcazar

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These engineers and in one case a kid still in school with no public experience now have access to the treasury departments payment system.
You couldn't make this up.
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They are going to find a lot of surprisingly hot people who are suddenly interested in them and their work coming onto them now.
Easiest honeypot targets in history, maybe.
 

WyattEarp

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Data security and privacy is a very valid concern.
Especially when it concerns SSNs, account numbers etc.,
Payments should not be terminated overnight because Elon said so.
Transparency can be achieved carefully, without an unelected billionaire and his goon squad composed of some 20 year old whipper snappers, with no senate confirmation, getting access to sensitive data overnight.
Any terminations of payments should be carefully reviewed, explained and then acted upon.
DOGE is subterfuge and a side show circus act created to normalize America's descent into authoritarianism.
This is actually quite common in the course of running large businesses.
Trump is employing Musk to lookl at it like a business.
Unless the various agencies can demonstrate that Congress or a Cabinet Dept. Head authorized such payments specifically, the payments are authorized by an unelected and unconfirmed bureaucrat.
The Courts will decide whether Musk and his team can look at the records.
I think it would be uncharted territory to deny the Executive the ability to hire outside auditors of his choosing.
Now given the politics, some Courts might delay but I don't think it ultimately gets prevented.
 
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I think that concern is subterfuge.

What I said is likely the new normal? More transparency of govt. payments.

Now if they need to look at personal data to get at who is the ultimate recipient of funds that too should be standard. I'm kind of surprised how quickly these guys are digging into govt. information. Again, it should be transparent.
If you're concerned about "subterfuge", how does a team of sophomoric 25 year old frat boys snurffling into private government records help you?

Like everything else that Tusk and Mrump are doing, shouldn't it be properly planned out, thoroughly debated and transparent? Rather than just an ad hoc bullshit jerk off uncontrolled power play?????
 

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They are going to find a lot of surprisingly hot people who are suddenly interested in them and their work coming onto them now.
Easiest honeypot targets in history, maybe.
Are you saying those socially maladroit and personally unappealing fascist lads are virgins, sir? 😯
 

Valcazar

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Trump and Musk aside, shouldn't Treasury payments be almost a matter of public record?
I find it odd that some "auditors" can't get access to this information.
I'm sure they could.

Musk wasn't there to audit.
He was there to take over the payment system.
 

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This is actually quite common in the course of running large businesses.
Trump is employing Musk to lookl at it like a business.
Unless the various agencies can demonstrate that Congress or a Cabinet Dept. Head authorized such payments specifically, the payments are authorized by an unelected and unconfirmed bureaucrat.
The Courts will decide whether Musk and his team can look at the records.
I think it would be uncharted territory to deny the Executive the ability to hire outside auditors of his choosing.
Now given the politics, some Courts might delay but I don't think it ultimately gets prevented.
It is not a business.
But that is besides the point.
These are government programs, with sensitive information that an unaccountable, unelected, unconfirmed billionaire who bought himself into the administration, should not have any access to.
If he is going to look at it then have him confirmed via the senate, and set proper procedure and protocol for identifying wasteful programs, how much data is exposed to him and explaining why they need to be cut, and then follow proper established protocol.
Elon knows nothing about governing a country and he should not be shutting down programs without scrutiny based on a whim.
 
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If you're concerned about "subterfuge", how does a team of sophomoric 25 year old frat boys snurffling into private government records help you?
Who do you think does the leg work for the Big 4 audit firms?

Like everything else that Tusk and Mrump are doing, shouldn't it be properly planned out, thoroughly debated and transparent? Rather than just an ad hoc bullshit jerk off uncontrolled power play?????
mandrill, Valcazar, Shaq, etc. listen to me, Trump is the Chief Executive of the United States of America. These are normal executive decisions. He's got limited time while the Democrats and the liberal media proclaim this is some travesty and an affront to Democracy. I have no idea what they are beefing about.

If expenditures are valid and the current Congress approves of them, they can be reinstated fairly quickly. We do have a $1.7 billion dollar deficit to consider.
 
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Valcazar

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I think that concern is subterfuge.

What I said is likely the new normal? More transparency of govt. payments.

Now if they need to look at personal data to get at who is the ultimate recipient of funds that too should be standard. I'm kind of surprised how quickly these guys are digging into govt. information. Again, it should be transparent.
But Musk and Trump aren't interested in transparency.
They will release information they want without letting people verify it.
They also took control of making the payments.
They have insisted on moving communications to places it can't be subject to FOIA.
 
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WyattEarp

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It is not a business.
But that is besides the point.
These are government programs, with sensitive information that an unaccountable, unelected, unconfirmed billionaire who bought himself into the administration, should not have any access to.
If he is going to look at it then have him confirmed via the senate, and set proper procedure and protocol for identifying wasteful programs, how much data is exposed to him and explaining why they need to be cut, and then follow proper established protocol.
Elon knows nothing about governing a country and he should not be shutting down programs without scrutiny based on a whim.
Congress can reinstate any program that they think is essential. All I here is a desire to oppose Trump because he acts aggressively. Perhaps progressives are also embarrassed by the opaque largesse in Washington. I have no idea why anyone thinks Trump can't turn off the government spigot. If certain expenditures were explicitly authorized by Congress, they should be left alone until voted down. All others are fair game.

To your point, if Elon requires Senate confirmation for his role our courts will sort this out. I'm don't think that is explicit in our laws. I'm sorry auditors are actually common in both business and government.

This will be wonderful example for Poilievre when he assumes control over Ottawa. However, I think we all realize much of the U.S.' spending problems result from having a U.S. Treasury credit card.
 
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WyattEarp

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But Musk and Trump aren't interested in transparency.
They will release information they want without letting people verify it.
They also took control of making the payments.
They have insisted on moving communications to places it can't be subject to FOIA.
Let me get this straight. You want to keep Musk, Trump and the American public away from the business records of the United States, but you are worried that their communications are outside the authority of a FOIA.
 
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