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Do Genocide & Holocaust Studies Have Any Future Now That Israel is Committing Genocide

Frankfooter

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And the way to understand if its been used appropriately is to read the reports by trusted human rights organizations and take those reports to the ICC and ICJ, where Israel will stand trial.
So the discussion can now move from what is considered genocide to whom is considered trustworthy.

Do you want to be the arbiter?
 

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So the discussion can now move from what is considered genocide to whom is considered trustworthy.

Do you want to be the arbiter?
Good point, we should only trust those accused of genocide as being the experts on genocide.
Why should we ever listen to you, someone who won't even admit Palestinians have the same human rights as everyone else on this planet?
Someone who has repeatedly declared that genocide was a good idea.


 

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You mean these people
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No, like you. I'm sure a decade or two ago, you had the typical motivation of standing up for people in need but your bubble has turned you into a hate-filled propagandist who is no longer motivated by helping people but instead just fixated on your anti-Jewish conspiracies and don't care who gets hurt as long as you see Israel suffer.
 

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No, like you. I'm sure a decade or two ago, you had the typical motivation of standing up for people in need but your bubble has turned you into a hate-filled propagandist who is no longer motivated by helping people but instead just fixated on your anti-Jewish conspiracies and don't care who gets hurt as long as you see Israel suffer.
Every accusation is a confession.

I protest with Jewish and Palestinian Canadians, along with thousands of other Canadians.
My bubble is more than half of Canada.
Nobody marches for team genocide.

Your bubble is this tiny group of supremacists who are working overtime to justify killing people and taking their land because they aren't the 'chosen people'.



 
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Israel has not been at peace since its creation.
Instead they have spend 76 years taking land from the indigenous people and then claiming its theirs.

Indigenous people all over the world have had their land taken over centuries. What makes 'Palestinians' a special case? Wars have consequences. Instead of waging war against the 'filthy Jews' over the past 75 years maybe they should have seriously sat at a negotiating table and hammered out an agreement.
 

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Indigenous people all over the world have had their land taken over centuries. What makes 'Palestinians' a special case? Wars have consequences. Instead of waging war against the 'filthy Jews' over the past 75 years maybe they should have seriously sat at a negotiating table and hammered out an agreement.
What makes it different is the US paid for 70% of the genocide which is part of a continuing colonization of Palestine.
No other colonial movements are still trying to steal land, everywhere they are about working to overcome history.
Israel is the last active colonization project on the planet.

 

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What makes it different is...
Your posting history makes it very clear which ethnic group has you thinking its different.

And the most ridiculous thing is you keep demanding the removal of Jews while living on land stolen (and continuing to be stolen) from Canada's indigenous, a group that was indisputably victims of a genocide. I don't see you supporting the Mohawk Warriors blowing up buses or kidnapping children and the elderly.
 

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And as I said, the whole thread is just a desperate attempt to ignore and minimize the remembrance of the Holocaust because you and your kind think it evil to have sympathy for any jews.
 

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Your posting history makes it very clear which ethnic group has you thinking its different.

And the most ridiculous thing is you keep demanding the removal of Jews while living on land stolen (and continuing to be stolen) from Canada's indigenous, a group that was indisputably victims of a genocide. I don't see you supporting the Mohawk Warriors blowing up buses or kidnapping children and the elderly.
Canada ended colonization 100 years ago and is working towards truth and conciliation.
Israel is still stealing land and killing the indigenous population to take it.

You really think those are the same thing?

 

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Never again means not letting it happen to anyone again, not just never again to the Jewish people.
Actually it means that Jews will make sure that they will not allow such a threat happen to their race again.

Others have appropriated it for their own causes. Do you think that the renowned Meir Kahane was concerned about other genocides. If so, then he was a true humanitarian and philanthropist. Personally, I think he was only referring to Jews.
Wiki:

"Never again" is a phrase or slogan which is associated with the lessons of the Holocaust and other genocides. The slogan was used by liberated prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp to denounce fascism. It was popularized by Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane in his 1971 book, Never Again! A Program for Survival.

The exact meaning of the phrase is debated, including whether it should be used as a particularistic command to avert a second Holocaust of Jews or whether it is a universalist injunction to prevent all forms of genocide.

The phrase is widely used by politicians and writers and it also appears on many Holocaust memorials. It has also been appropriated as a political slogan for other causes, from commemoration of the 1976 Argentine coup, the promotion of gun control or abortion rights, and as an injunction to war on terror after the September 11 attacks.


There absolutely zero dispute or debate when it is in reference to the Holocaust. The debate materializes only when people try to apply it to other events. It's kind of like how "apartheid" has been misappropriated and redefined for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel

It's an amazing coincidence, that in both of those cases, the misappropriation of a term/phrase involves Israel and both in a negative way. It must be the occupation that makes definitions change before our very eyes.
 
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Actually it means that Jews will make sure that they will not allow such a threat happen to their race again.

Others have appropriated it for their own causes. Do you think that the renowned Meir Kahane was concerned about other genocides. If so, then he was a true humanitarian and philanthropist. Personally, I think he was only referring to Jews.
Wiki:

"Never again" is a phrase or slogan which is associated with the lessons of the Holocaust and other genocides. The slogan was used by liberated prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp to denounce fascism. It was popularized by Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane in his 1971 book, Never Again! A Program for Survival.

The exact meaning of the phrase is debated, including whether it should be used as a particularistic command to avert a second Holocaust of Jews or whether it is a universalist injunction to prevent all forms of genocide.

The phrase is widely used by politicians and writers and it also appears on many Holocaust memorials. It has also been appropriated as a political slogan for other causes, from commemoration of the 1976 Argentine coup, the promotion of gun control or abortion rights, and as an injunction to war on terror after the September 11 attacks.


There absolutely zero dispute or debate when it is in reference to the Holocaust. The debate materializes only when people try to apply it to other events. It's kind of like how "apartheid" has been misappropriated and redefined for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel

It's an amazing coincidence, that in both of those cases, the misappropriation of a term/phrase involves Israel and both in a negative way. It must be the occupation that makes definitions change before our very eyes.
You quoted terrorists.
JDL are terrorists.
Meir Kahane is also a recognized terrorist.

You just self outed yourself as a terrorist supporter.

That really clarifies that you think the lesson of never again is that it gives zionists the right to commit genocide against whoever they want.
No wonder you back genocide.



 
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You quoted terrorists.
JDL are terrorists.
Meir Kahane is also a recognized terrorist.
Quite possibly. He's also an author who popularized the term "Never Again". As such his interpretation of the phrase holds water, terrorist or not. You were discussing what "never again" means just the same as I. There is nothing terrorist about remembering that there was an attempt to eradicate your race. Do you think that he was referring to other genocides or only the Holocaust?

You just self outed yourself as a terrorist supporter.
I made no comment about his deeds or words, good, bad or indifferent. I simply reported his words with no commentary.

You continually make unsupportable accusations. You just keep looking to create arguments with such tactics. Everybody can see what you try to do.
 

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You quoted terrorists.
JDL are terrorists.
Meir Kahane is also a recognized terrorist.

You just self outed yourself as a terrorist supporter.

That really clarifies that you think the lesson of never again is that it gives zionists the right to commit genocide against whoever they want.
No wonder you back genocide.



He didn’t just quote this racist convicted terrorist, he called him “renowned“. This creep had an illicit affair with a Christian woman while he was married. Two days before they were to be married, he ended it through a letter. She committed suicide. After the suicide, Kahane started a foundation in her name that was funded by her family. This roach used those funds to bankroll the Jewish Defense League.
 
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Actually it means that Jews will make sure that they will not allow such a threat happen to their race again.

Others have appropriated it for their own causes. Do you think that the renowned Meir Kahane was concerned about other genocides. If so, then he was a true humanitarian and philanthropist. Personally, I think he was only referring to Jews.
Wiki:

"Never again" is a phrase or slogan which is associated with the lessons of the Holocaust and other genocides. The slogan was used by liberated prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp to denounce fascism. It was popularized by Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane in his 1971 book, Never Again! A Program for Survival.

The exact meaning of the phrase is debated, including whether it should be used as a particularistic command to avert a second Holocaust of Jews or whether it is a universalist injunction to prevent all forms of genocide.

The phrase is widely used by politicians and writers and it also appears on many Holocaust memorials. It has also been appropriated as a political slogan for other causes, from commemoration of the 1976 Argentine coup, the promotion of gun control or abortion rights, and as an injunction to war on terror after the September 11 attacks.


There absolutely zero dispute or debate when it is in reference to the Holocaust. The debate materializes only when people try to apply it to other events. It's kind of like how "apartheid" has been misappropriated and redefined for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel

It's an amazing coincidence, that in both of those cases, the misappropriation of a term/phrase involves Israel and both in a negative way. It must be the occupation that makes definitions change before our very eyes.
That is one wacko post.
 
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Quite possibly. He's also an author who popularized the term "Never Again". As such his interpretation of the phrase holds water, terrorist or not. You were discussing what "never again" means just the same as I. There is nothing terrorist about remembering that there was an attempt to eradicate your race. Do you think that he was referring to other genocides or only the Holocaust?


I made no comment about his deeds or words, good, bad or indifferent. I simply reported his words with no commentary.

You continually make unsupportable accusations. You just keep looking to create arguments with such tactics. Everybody can see what you try to do.
JDL are recognized as terrorists in the UK and Meir Kahane as a terrorist by Canada.
You just declared your philosophy originates from terrorists.
 
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