Donald Trumps Approval Ratings Soar

mandrill

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Are you still arguing that anyone who shows up at our Southern border whether they have traveled through Mexico or flew into Mexico should be granted asylum?
Because that is what I am hearing.
No, I never, ever argued that. You seem unable to follow what I write.

I believe that you are getting well out of your depth. Again.
From what I understand, the USMCA is under review next year. I suspect the Trump Administration will push for more open trade without conditions. That's just a hunch. Right now, I think he finds its satisfying to be "pantsing" Trudeau. What can you say? He overreacts and does stupid things in reaction to stupid things.

In the scheme of things, the effort to reshape a new trade order is a much bigger deal than any negotiations with Canada. China and Germany are likely the big targets.
If the benefits of the "Amazing New Plan" were so evident, I am surprised that they weren't part of the negotiating strategy in previous NAFTA negotations. Maybe you can help us and explain??
 

WyattEarp

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That sounds a lot like you clinging to "legalistic treaties and process".

I mean, your only objection here is that it would be too complicated to change and an assertion of "virtually no support" without any data to back that up.
No, I actually said there is no support for it. I do not support it.

And yes, amending the Constitution is a formal "legalistic process". You and I can't really deny that. Trump or his supporters can talk about a third-term to their heart's content and it won't make a bit of a difference.

Did the election cause you to have dysphoria or are you someone borrowing Valcazar's handle for awhile?
 

danmand

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CountryTrade Deficit 2023
China$279,424
Mexico$152,379
Vietnam$104,627
Germany$83,021
Japan$71,175
Canada$67,861
Ireland$65,342
South Korea$51,398
Taiwan$47,975
Italy$44,012

The United States has the largest trade deficit in the world. In 2023, the trade deficit of this nation was $773.4 billion. While the country brought in $3,826.9 billion in imports, the amount of exports was just $3,053.5 billion, (BEA, 2024). The largest exports of the United States were cars, food, and commercial aircraft. The largest imports were cell phones, oil, and cars
 

WyattEarp

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No, I never, ever argued that. You seem unable to follow what I write.

I believe that you are getting well out of your depth. Again.

If the benefits of the "Amazing New Plan" were so evident, I am surprised that they weren't part of the negotiating strategy in previous NAFTA negotations. Maybe you can help us and explain??
mandrill, I literally told you Canada is not the big fish in reshaping world trade. I do think North America will be better off as a whole if there is a new trade order.

I'm sorry if you feel Canada is being treated unfairly. However, we need to let the negotiators discuss things and see the results of their negotiations.

As far as your histrionics and put-downs, I am quite confident of my knowledge and understanding of economics. I think your understanding is strongly shaped by your politics that leads you to believe anything Trump initiates must be wrong.
 
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Frankfooter

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mandrill, I literally told you Canada is not the big fish in reshaping world trade. I do think North America will be better off as a whole if there is a new trade order.

I'm sorry if you feel Canada is being treated unfairly. However, we need to let the negotiators discuss things and see the results of their negotiations.

As far as your histrionics and put-downs, I am quite confident of my knowledge and understanding of economics. I think your understanding is strongly shaped by your politics that leads you to believe anything Trump initiates must be wrong.
Do you actually think the tariffs and replacing income tax with tariffs are good ideas?
 
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WyattEarp

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I wonder if you have read anything.

You cannot understand the last 100 years history of the world, if you have not read Marx, or have had somebody explain his writings to you.

Marx' analysis and writings are that important, today as 150 years ago.
Sorry, sometimes I don't make the distinction between Marx and Marxism.

Marx had important things to say. Marxism in practice has not really worked in practice. Of course, the world that Marx envisioned doesn't resemble today's Marxism.
 
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JohnLarue

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Yes, we have vastly different opinions on how a president should conduct himself.
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I made no specific statement about how I think a president should conduct himself.

Trumps style is certainly unique and I know it is really off putting for many
I recall seeing him on that goofy apprentice show and thinking WTF ,this guy cant be for real?
I defiantly got that wrong.
He is real and in our face.

the flip side is Justin Trudeau was all image, a drama teacher playing the part of a made to order political leader, despite not having a clue what the responsibilities of the job were
( and still does not understand)
That did not work out well


I appreciate the fact that we could have a civil discourse despite our differences.
It is more productive than you calling me a racist redneck while I call you a commie.

That said I will stand my ground and not be insulted without responding.
And I firmly and honestly believe Trudeau 3.0 (Carney / Steven Guilbeault ) would be a continuation of the disaster and elevate the risk of driving Western provinces to seek a better deal with Trump. An opportunity he would jump all over .

I know you are sharp enough to understand what is at risk here
 

WyattEarp

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It is good for the rich Americans.
Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Rich Americans are going to have a higher propensity to consume imported goods. Many rich Americans work for multinational firms with large overseas footprints and as importantly have investments in these multinational firms.

The anti-tariff debate ignores any benefit to domestic manufacturing employment of which the working class is the main beneficiary. Even if you argue tariffs won't help employment at all, the increased government revenue can be used to offset other taxes on Americans.

The tariff debate is a dynamic discussion. Tariff opponents deliberately want people to view the tariffs in isolation as a cost without considering any other impact on the economy.
 

JohnLarue

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CountryTrade Deficit 2023
China$279,424
Mexico$152,379
Vietnam$104,627
Germany$83,021
Japan$71,175
Canada$67,861
Ireland$65,342
South Korea$51,398
Taiwan$47,975
Italy$44,012

The United States has the largest trade deficit in the world. In 2023, the trade deficit of this nation was $773.4 billion. While the country brought in $3,826.9 billion in imports, the amount of exports was just $3,053.5 billion, (BEA, 2024). The largest exports of the United States were cars, food, and commercial aircraft. The largest imports were cell phones, oil, and cars
So Canada is a target for tariffs because of
1. Trudeaus insane open boarder policy
2. Trudeaus intentional wasting away of our military
3. Trudeaus personality - Trump really dislikes him. The feeling is mutual , however Trudeau gets Trumped
4. Supply Management - that is not free trade

Clean up the boarder / build up the military, get rid of Trudeau or Trudeau 3.0 ,and we may not get steam rolled
All items which should have been addressed as they are in Canadas best interest

Supply management will be tricky (Quebec)
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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You don't know the Biden administration tap federal funding for illegal immigrant?
And blue cities such as NYC, Chicago, LA and SF are some of the most populated and some of the biggest contributors into federal income tax.
So DHS is pretty much giving their money back to them.
The impact to some taxpayer in a corner of Kansas who voted for Trump is negligible both in terms of their exposure to migrants and in terms of the amount of $$ they contribute towards resettling those migrants.
 

richaceg

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And blue cities such as NYC, Chicago, LA and SF are some of the most populated and some of the biggest contributors into federal income tax.
So DHS is pretty much giving their money back to them.
The impact to some taxpayer in a corner of Kansas who voted for Trump is negligible both in terms of their exposure to migrants and in terms of the amount of $$ they contribute towards resettling those migrants.
No it's not negligible. Trump answers to every American...if what voted him in is the platform to remove illegal immigrants, that's the mandate and he needs to deliver...it won't matter where it is...obviously the easiest place to look for are sanctuary cities...
What are we even arguing about...any migrant who illegally crossed the border commited a crime...had they only show up in the border patrol gates with complete documents, they wouldn't be rounded up and sent back...you mention you go to the US, do you just walk right in? 😂 😂 😂
 

WyattEarp

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So Canada is a target for tariffs because of
1. Trudeaus insane open boarder policy
2. Trudeaus intentional wasting away of our military
3. Trudeaus personality - Trump really dislikes him. The feeling is mutual , however Trudeau gets Trumped
4. Supply Management - that is not free trade

Clean up the boarder / build up the military, get rid of Trudeau or Trudeau 3.0 ,and we may not get steam rolled
All items which should have been addressed as they are in Canadas best interest

Supply management will be tricky (Quebec)
Can you explain what you mean by supply management in this context? Thanks.
 

WyattEarp

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What are we even arguing about...any migrant who illegally crossed the border commited a crime...had they only show up in the border patrol gates with complete documents, they wouldn't be rounded up and sent back...you mention you go to the US, do you just walk right in? 😂 😂 😂
It sounds like Shaq lives right next door. I could probably wave to him.👋😜
 
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