Danielle Smith turns her back on Canada...

[JohnLarue]

I said OIL not oil and gas.

what part of 3rd largest OIL reserve in the world do you not understand ?

Trump never said overseas, he said US oil.[

are you trying to pretend you can use your critical analysis skills to determine he would not jump at the chance to displace OPEC oil with North American oil ?

No one expects AB to sacrifice their GDP,

That is exactly what you were expecting

but if the USA changes the rules, we should use supply management to maximize profits in the oil sector at the detriment of the US customers.

#1 by selling the oil to who ?
Your fanboy hero moron Trudeau has spent 9 years preventing Western Canadian oil from getting to other markets

TMX capacity is 900,000 bbls, In 2023, Alberta produced 4.3 million barrels of crude oil per day

#2. You can not maximize profits on a commodity with a world wide price
you can get screwed on price if you have no place to put your production

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb

Its a win win for Canada. If the USA imposes tariffs contrary to the USMCA agreement, we can suspend our committment to competitive markets. Set a quota, divvy it up. make the USA pay more, Make Alberta Great Again. Producers and all levels of govt will get more $ and USA will pay for it.

divvy it up ?
where do you intend on storing your share of 3 + million barrels of that ' filthy, dirty product" ?
How big is your back yard?
How do you get it into your back yard from Alberta?

supply management is going to be the real target of USMCA re-negotiations with respect to Canada
The current threat of tariffs is Trump beating Canada up ahead of the USMCA re-negotiations.

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb

 

[nottyboi]

The US can replace Canada's energy exports a lot faster than Canada can can get those energy exports to other markets.
So, once again, it would be suicide to attempt the use of energy in a tariff war

I guess Canada bet on the wrong horse (decarbonization, EV, etc) and there will be a price to pay

Not really, even if they decide to get oil from Venezuela how are they gonna get it into their refinary system. They are still importing oil from Russia dispite all the bluster.

 

[JohnLarue]

The US can replace Canada's energy exports a lot faster than Canada can can get those energy exports to other markets.
So, once again, it would be suicide to attempt the use of energy in a tariff war

I guess Canada bet on the wrong horse (decarbonization, EV, etc) and there will be a price to pay

yes. Canada bet on the wrong horse jack ass and his name is Justin

 

[nottyboi]

what part of 3rd largest OIL reserve in the world do you not understand ?


are trying to pretend he would you can use your critical analysis skills to determine he would not jump at the chance to displace OPEC oil with North American oil


That is exactly what you were expecting


#1 by selling the oil to who ?
Your fanboy hero moron Trudeau has spent 9 years preventing Western Canadian oil from getting to other markets

TMX capacity is 900,000 bbls, In 2023, Alberta produced 4.3 million barrels of crude oil per day

#2. You can not maximize profits on a commodity with a world wide price
you can get screwed on price if you have no place to put your production

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb



divvy it up ?
do you storage for your share of 3 + million barrels of that ' filthy, dirty product" ?
How big is your back yard?
How do you get it into your back yard from Alberta?

supply management is going to be the real target of USMCA re-negotiations with respect to Canada
The current threat of tariffs is Trump beating Canada up ahead of the USMCA re-negotiations.

you really are " bag of hammers" dumb

So what? We know that, give them a target we know they will go for. You REALLY have no clue how to negotiate do you. lol. Tariffs are illegal under MCUSA. You don't need to store the oil, you set a quota close to what we sell, provide some incentives to accelerate well and pipeline maint, and allow companies to trade quotas. It seems to me your negotiating technique is bend over the table and bring several flavors of lube to offer. lol.

To quote Trump today : "We don't need their oil and gas. We have more than anybody."

 

[kstanb]

Not really, even if they decide to get oil from Venezuela how are they gonna get it into their refinary system. They are still importing oil from Russia dispite all the bluster.

From:
Why does the U.S. export domestic crude oil and refine foreign oil? - Marketplace

"last year the U.S. imported more than 8.5 million barrels of petroleum a day. Meanwhile, the U.S. also exported more than 10 million barrels a day. Wait, what? Why are we selling that oil instead of using it ourselves?
It’s mostly a chemistry problem. The crude oil we’re buying is thick and has lots of sulfur, hence it’s called heavy sour. The stuff we’re pulling up isn’t and doesn’t, so it’s called light sweet. All that variation in the chemistry of the oil means that you can’t refine all oil the same way. They have to go through different processes. Our refineries were designed to process oil coming from Mexico and Venezuela. “And a lot of that tends to be relatively heavy and relatively high in sulfur,” he said.

Then a little over a decade ago, shale fracking took off in the U.S., and so did the supply of light sweet oil. But even if U.S. refineries could flip a switch and start refining that oil, GasBuddy analyst Patrick De Haan said it’s coming out of the ground in the wrong places.
“The need is infrastructure,” he said. “You may produce all this light sweet crude oil in Texas. But if you don’t have pipelines to the nation’s refineries to deliver it, how are you going to be able to utilize it?” So importing foreign crude oil is cheaper.


My highlighted: "The need is infrastructure".
they can pay the costs/ inefficiencies of getting it from Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela or pay the extra Canada tax for some time, in the meantime, Trump has declared "National Energy Emergency": he has the USA's resources and US might to get whatever infrastructure is missing and pay whatever the costs are for re-tooling existing refineries or building new refineries set for Texan light oil. Once this is done, Canada oil is redundant.

So when Trump said: "We don't need Canada's oil" ; he is right, US buys it because it is convenient and cheap

 

[nottyboi]

So what? We know that, give them a target we know they will go for. You REALLY have no clue how to negotiate do you. lol. Tariffs are illegal under MCUSA. You don't need to store the oil, you set a quota close to what we sell, provide some incentives to accelerate well and pipeline maint, and allow companies to trade quotas. It seems to me your negotiating technique is bend over the table and bring several flavors of lube to offer. lol.

From:
Why does the U.S. export domestic crude oil and refine foreign oil? - Marketplace

"last year the U.S. imported more than 8.5 million barrels of petroleum a day. Meanwhile, the U.S. also exported more than 10 million barrels a day. Wait, what? Why are we selling that oil instead of using it ourselves?
It’s mostly a chemistry problem. The crude oil we’re buying is thick and has lots of sulfur, hence it’s called heavy sour. The stuff we’re pulling up isn’t and doesn’t, so it’s called light sweet. All that variation in the chemistry of the oil means that you can’t refine all oil the same way. They have to go through different processes. Our refineries were designed to process oil coming from Mexico and Venezuela. “And a lot of that tends to be relatively heavy and relatively high in sulfur,” he said.

Then a little over a decade ago, shale fracking took off in the U.S., and so did the supply of light sweet oil. But even if U.S. refineries could flip a switch and start refining that oil, GasBuddy analyst Patrick De Haan said it’s coming out of the ground in the wrong places.
“The need is infrastructure,” he said. “You may produce all this light sweet crude oil in Texas. But if you don’t have pipelines to the nation’s refineries to deliver it, how are you going to be able to utilize it?” So importing foreign crude oil is cheaper.


My highlighted: "The need is infrastructure".
they can pay the costs/ inefficiencies of getting it from Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela or pay the extra Canada tax for some time, in the meantime, Trump has declared "National Energy Emergency": he has the USA's resources and US might to get whatever infrastructure is missing and pay whatever the costs are for re-tooling existing refineries or building new refineries set for Texan light oil. Once this is done, Canada oil is redundant.

So when Trump said: "We don't need Canada's oil" ; he is right, US buys it because it is convenient and cheap

Well while they are doing that we can build pipelines as well. If this goes too far then Canada should count on the end thinking of the USA as a friendly nation. Withdraw from NORAD as well and start a nuclear weapons program. lol. Maybe join the SCO, BNR and BRICS. The thing is, Canada needs to stop shitting its pants and understand that the mid terms are in 2 years and the campaign will probably start in about 6m. So if Trump causes a short term inflation spike he will get slaugtered in the mid terms and destroy his presidency. So make it clear to him we know that. If he fucks this up he will blow his presidency and Canada would prefer that when Trump leaves office he goes down in history as the greatest president in history. We would like to help him build that legacy. Lets look at the numbers andf ensure trade is balanced and make it clear the US is receiving subsidized oil, if he prefers we can rise the price.

 

[JohnLarue]

So what? We know that, give them a target we know they will go for. You REALLY have no clue how to negotiate do you. lol.

You REALLY have no clue who you negotiating with do you. lol.

Tariffs are illegal under MCUSA.

No doubt
However unless you have not been paying attention, that is going to get TRUMPed by US national security concerns

We have 2 cards to play
1. the current interconnection of the supply chains & hope that tariff's will hurt the US and we can withstand the impact for 1 + years
2. Follow D Smiths lead and work diligently in the background to show US counterparts the advantages of expanding trade with Canada.
3. Hope Trump gets pre-occupied with some other issue

Trudeau , threw away the possibility of energy leverage when he cancelled all those pipelines - what a disaster he has been for this country

You don't need to store the oil, you set a quota close to what we sell,

That is a production cut and a huge one. TMX capacity is less than 1/4 of Alberta's production

it would immediately set in motion Alberta and Saskatchewan separation followed by a complete unravelling of the country
The U.S. would pick and choose what parts they want

provide some incentives to accelerate well and pipeline maint, and allow companies to trade quotas. It seems to me your negotiating technique is bend over the table and bring several flavors of lube to offer. lol.

To quote Trump today : "We don't need their oil and gas. We have more than anybody."

verbal diarrhea from a fool

 

[nottyboi]

You REALLY have no clue who you negotiating with do you. lol.


No doubt
However unless you have not been paying attention, that is going to get TRUMPed by US national security concerns

We have 2 cards to play
1. the current interconnection of the supply chains & hope that tariff's will hurt the US and we can withstand the impact for 1 + years
2. Follow D Smiths lead and work diligently in the background to show US counterparts the advantages of expanding trade with Canada.
3. Hope Trump gets pre-occupied with some other issue

Trudeau , threw away the possibility of energy leverage when he cancelled all those pipelines - what a disaster he has been for this country



That is a production cut and a huge one. TMX capacity is less than 1/4 of Alberta's production

it would immediately set in motion Alberta and Saskatchewan separation followed by a complete unravelling of the country
The U.S. would pick and choose what parts they want



verbal diarrhea from a fool

Why would we limit our oil exports to TMX? Thats idiotic!! Just introduce supply management to our oil exports to drive up the price. So production would only need drop a small amount. Yes we know exactly who we are negotiating with. If they get to rough with us we start to ban US exports and buy more from China and Mexico. No one every got anywhere by blowing Donald Trump. Ask Stormy

 

[JohnLarue]

Why would we limit our oil exports to TMX? Thats idiotic!!

because Trudeau implemented Gerald Butts plan to land lock and intentionally limit our oil exports
idiotic ? Yes in the extreme

your stupidity knows no bounds

 

[nottyboi]

because Trudeau implemented Gerald Butts plan to land lock and intentionally limit our oil exports
idiotic ? Yes in the extreme

your stupidity knows no bounds

So what, the US will still buy our oil. They still buy Russian oil for godssake. We should stop alllowing Russian oil to transit Canada to the USA as well. Tranisitioning away from Canadian oil is a 12-24m project at a minimum.

 

[JohnLarue]

So what, the US will still buy our oil.

my god you are stupid
#1. the thread is about the idiots in Ottawa who want to cut off oil to the US as a weapon in a trade war , with you being the king idiot here
#2. we sell oil to the US at a huge discount because your idiot Fan boy Hero Trudeau intentionally land locked the commodity via the idiocy of the Gerrard Butts plan and prevent Canada from accessing other markets

On average, WCS traded with a discount of US$17.2 relative to the WTI. In November 2018, WCS discount relative to WTI reached a record of US$46/bbl. This significant discount pushed the Alberta provincial government to impose production limits in the province.

yet you think you can supply management oil.
you are unbelievably stupid are you show it once again

They still buy Russian oil for godssake.

sure, they buy where they get a price
try raising Canadian oil prices via Supply Management and they will buy Russian, Venezuelan , Saudi oil etc., etc.
the US likely buys Iran oil via some backroom deal

And your Critical Analysis skills leads you to think you can dictate pricing to the US via supply management ???

Why would we limit our oil exports to TMX? Thats idiotic!!

and you have been supporting the idiotic Trudeau who spent nine years limiting our oil exports to TMX

you are too stupid to believe

 

[JohnLarue]

So no lawsuit was filed, and now one is. That does not all all change it. It only means someone decided to pose the question to the courts in this case, but the circumstances are very similar. Its funny how without a court ruling you somehow claim its different. Its not.

I said court challenge and the federal govt lost the first stage
the court challenge now get expedited inside of a couple of weeks
A judge felt the argument to recall Parliament needs to be heard and needs to be defended by the govt
if the govt loses this court challenge, they have to reconvene Parliament right away and then Trudeau's will fall and election occurs
And the liberal infighting will take place in an election period

Your fanboy hero Justin is too stupid to believe & the liberals maybe stuck with him as their leader
Everything he touches turns to shit

 

[JohnLarue]

Its possible Trump will agree to that traitorous cunt

cunt ?
I thought we had agreed to keep your mother out of this?

 

[nottyboi]

I said court challenge and the federal govt lost the first stage
the court challenge now get expedited inside of a couple of weeks
A judge felt the argument to recall Parliament needs to be heard and needs to be defended by the govt
if the govt loses this court challenge, they have to reconvene Parliament right away and then Trudeau's will fall and election occurs
And the liberal infighting will take place in an election period

Your fanboy hero Justin is too stupid to believe & the liberals maybe stuck with him as their leader
Everything he touches turns to shit

It was expedited as the question becomes moot after parliament restarts. WHatever he rules the feds can appeal. So its moot anyway.

 

[nottyboi]

cunt ?
I thought we had agreed to keep your mother out of this?

My mother is dead. Which showcases the super classy guy you are.

 

[JohnLarue]

It was expedited as the question becomes moot after parliament restarts. WHatever he rules the feds can appeal. So its moot anyway.

and once more you prove how desperate the liberals are to avoid the electorate
don't count on an appeal

 

[JohnLarue]

My mother is dead. Which showcases the super classy guy you are.

I don't believe you

and yes I am classy relative to you and the slime you support
you called a lady fighting for your country a cunt
now slither away

 

[nottyboi]

I don't believe you

and yes I am classy relative to you and the slime you support
you called a lady fighting for your country a cunt
now slither away

She is not, she is fighting for herself and her personal ambition and enrichment. She would rather be a governor of Alberta then a premier. As for my mum, yes she is dead, I told the home care worker to administer the pain killers that mercifully ended her life.

 

[JohnLarue]

She is not, she is fighting for herself and her personal ambition and enrichment. She would rather be a governor of Alberta then a premier. As for my mum, yes she is dead, I told the home care worker to administer the pain killers that mercifully ended her life.

i do not believe you
you called a lady fighting for your country a cunt
you are pitiful excuse for a human being and perpetually dishonest
now slither away

 

[Frankfooter]

i do not believe you
you called a lady fighting for your country a cunt
you are pitiful excuse for a human being and perpetually dishonest
now slither away

Smith is an oil lobbyist, she's not fighting for Canada.

First you want Canada to sell oil cheaply to the US, then you don't think Canada should retaliate for tariffs and now you think the country should just do what works for the oil$gas industry, not the country.