Elon does the Nazi salute

[boobtoucher]

Exactly, the tide is the economy and we are the boats. If you’re a US citizen, you have to hope that he can make America stronger economically (infrastructure investments, tariffs, lower taxes for companies to come in and create higher paying jobs) - yes I know these are all controversial.

All boats will rise and some will rise much higher than others (the wealth disparity you speak about). However put yourself in a good position and you will benefit when this tide rises.

The tide isn’t socialism and redistributing wealth. That’s the equivalent of Tsunamis where you see the water receed and then just come back and wipe everything out.

How badly did you fail grade 10 history?

Trump inherited Obamas economy and crashed it before covid hit. This time he's inheriting a much worse economy and knowingly crashing it.

Reaganomics has been in place for 40 years and things are measurably worse.

And as part of your reply, please tell us the origins of the Laffer curve.

 

[PeterParker1000]

While communism has not proven itself to be successful, a socialistic modified capitalism seem to be working very well.

The problem with a naked capitalistic system as in USA, is that there are large inefficiencies caused by the large inequalities. Crime, drug use, unemployment, uneducation and incarceration. A large percentage of the citizenship is not productive, but instead a burden on the productive sector.

How do we solve for those inefficiencies. I don’t think socialism or socialistic modified capitalism can work at scale. Can you explain how the US might implement and benefit from this?

 

[Valcazar]

This is a class war. You are right. It was never about skin color.

I think we are aware of that.
You have chosen your side in that war, quite clearly.

Sorry, Bro. I am never going to embrace Corporatism and Fascism.

I think he is fine with that.
Punishing the enemy seems to be one of the advantages he feels he gets by being on the pro-oligarch/pro-plutocrat
side of the class war.

Your comment regarding the poor and the elite are completely opposed to MAGA ideology which hates the elites.

I don't think Parker has said he is MAGA.
I think he said MAGA was a useful crazy to attack the leftists. (Was that him? I think that was him.)
He's quite clearly come out on the "The Elite deserve to Rule and you should do whatever it takes to join them or at least support your superiors as a good submissive cog in the hierarchy" side of things.

Then why the racism towards immigrants as we saw in response to Elon and Vivek's support for H1B?
Why then did Elon's support anti-semitic statements that alleged that Jews were fomenting hatred of white people?
I could go on with examples.

I think you're missing the point.
PeterParker1000 is saying the racism doesn't matter to him.
Parker is there for the "Elites must rule us" / "The Enlightenment was a mistake" / "You don't understand the benefits of a dictator" kind of thing.
If Elon wants to be racist or sexist, that's just not relevant.
He is an Elite and should be allowed to do what he wants.
He's superior and therefore must be obeyed.

 

[jeff2]

Up until 1970, real wages in USA were steadily increasing., Since 1970, real wages in USA have not increased.

Yeah. It is also the pensions in the private sector that have declined. Total compensation.
Men are more likely to be in the private sector.
For Canada, real wages for young men peaked in 1977. Workplace pensions for men peaked around the same time.

 

[danmand]

How do we solve for those inefficiencies. I don’t think socialism or socialistic modified capitalism can work at scale. Can you explain how the US might implement and benefit from this?

Negative. I doubt USA will be able to drag itself out of the problems. Maybe some less populated states will be able to show progress, but the big population centers are hopeless cases. Top many uneducated, unemployable and often incarcerated people. It is a great shame, because it is a serious drag on the economy and the quality of life.

 

[Valcazar]

There is, statistically, a less than 1% chance you out earn me, and a 2.5% chance you have a higher net worth. I'd just prefer to live in a society that functions, vs one where I'm spending money on fences and security to keep the starving masses off my property.

Eat the rich, tax the churches, fuck the police.

Are you American, though?

I think those percentages would be different based on Canada and US.

 

[Valcazar]

I don't have to. It is a personal choice. If not for the fact that most rich people value societal health over short term personal gain, we would all be much worse off.

Actually, have you heard the expression:" When the tide comes in, all ships rises". A more equal society is a safer and more productive society, hence beneficial to all.

But it is a society where those on the higher end have less power over people's lives.
There are LOTS and LOTS of people who would HAPPILY be less rich if it meant they had more power.

The RELATIVE difference in wealth is what is important.
As Peter pointed out earlier, he wants you to BEG.
He could be 10 times richer than he is now, but if you aren't begging, it doesn't mean as much.

 

[PeterParker1000]

I think we are aware of that.
You have chosen your side in that war, quite clearly.



I think he is fine with that.
Punishing the enemy seems to be one of the advantages he feels he gets by being on the pro-oligarch/pro-plutocrat
side of the class war.



I don't think Parker has said he is MAGA.
I think he said MAGA was a useful crazy to attack the leftists. (Was that him? I think that was him.)
He's quite clearly come out on the "The Elite deserve to Rule and you should do whatever it takes to join them or at least support your superiors as a good submissive cog in the hierarchy" side of things.



I think you're missing the point.
PeterParker1000 is saying the racism doesn't matter to him.
Parker is there for the "Elites must rule us" / "The Enlightenment was a mistake" / "You don't understand the benefits of a dictator" kind of thing.
If Elon wants to be racist or sexist, that's just not relevant.
He is an Elite and should be allowed to do what he wants.
He's superior and therefore must be obeyed.

There are a lot of people who care about elitism and class inequality, and I am not one of them. I believe we are responsible for ourselves and our community

Are you American, though?

I think those percentages would be different based on Canada and US.

Lol what a loser. That guy isn’t worth a reply. Posting % probability on an anonymous escort forum. Probably works at tim hortons. That’s a popular place up there no? Lol

 

[Valcazar]

And as part of your reply, please tell us the origins of the Laffer curve.

HAHAHAH

Nice.

 

[Valcazar]

There are a lot of people who care about elitism and class inequality, and I am not one of them. I believe we are responsible for ourselves and our community

You seem to care about them a whole lot actually.
They appear to be the core belief of your politics.

 

[PeterParker1000]

You seem to care about them a whole lot actually.
They appear to be the core belief of your politics.

Yea the idea that you guys talk so much and care about it is so weird.

I can’t help but not comment to say how stupid it is. It sucks me in everytime. You guys are men right? I’m talking about you Valca and Squeezer. Not women? (which is fine but just checking). If so I’ll shut up about it. I understand where you are coming from if you are. It’s hard to tell on these forums.

 

[K Douglas]

No, I am not. One of the pillars of Fascism or Corporatism, as Mussolini called it, is the tight cooperation between large corporations and Government, as demonstrated by the inauguration.

Democrats raised over $1 billion this past election cycle. Republicans raised $394 million. You do the math about which party is the chosen one for billionaires.. Trump had these billionaire CEO's there because he wanted to make a statement to the world. That the US is open for business. This talk of fascism is ridiculousness.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

He's superior and therefore must be obeyed.

Interestingly MAGA seems to at the very least subconsciously apply this rule to gender, sexual orientation, race, nationality, immigration status or identity.
Looks like it really is just some form of elitism presented as populism.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Democrats raised over $1 billion this past election cycle. Republicans raised $394 million. You do the math about which party is the chosen one for billionaires.. Trump had these billionaire CEO's there because he wanted to make a statement to the world. That the US is open for business. This talk of fascism is ridiculousness.

Trump actually may have got more from the outside than Harris did.
I doubt the 394M figure is correct, because Elon himself gave 250M.

 

[K Douglas]

How badly did you fail grade 10 history?

Trump inherited Obamas economy and crashed it before covid hit. This time he's inheriting a much worse economy and knowingly crashing it.

Reaganomics has been in place for 40 years and things are measurably worse.

And as part of your reply, please tell us the origins of the Laffer curve.

He did no such thing. In the 3 years leading up to COVID the US growth rates were 2.5%, 2.9% and 2.5%. But more importantly real median incomes were rising faster than at any time in the 21st century.

 

[boobtoucher]

Im Canadian, and the son of an immigrant. I'm earning a 1% income, but still decidedly working class (I.e. I have to go to work every day, My family can't live indefinitely off my accumulated capital)

Part of my customer base has names like Morneau and Bragg, so I swim in those waters sometimes. None of those guys "did it on their own". They were able to grow generational weath. No different than Trump or Musk.

Im also old enough to know that my grandfather was able to raise 5 kids with a grade 2 education, own a cottage, and retire comfortably before 60.

Those opportunities are going away, and gone for my kids, because labour has stopped doing violence. Look at the h1b visa fight. Musk has made it clear he just wants labour as cheap as possible. He doesn't give a shit about humanity. Anyone supporting him feels the same.

We fight fascism because it is an ideology of failure. It inevitably leads to violence. Once again, as a father, I'd prefer to live in a world where my kids don't have to fight a land war in Europe. Going Luigi on a couple of wealthy heirs may make the point with minimum bloodshed.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

But more importantly real median incomes were rising faster than at any time in the 21st century.

Doesn't seem to be the case based on the info below.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/f11d5ffb-9752-44e3-9caa-ce6005bba6fd/republican-claim-about-5k-rising-income-issue-brief-final.pdf

The Washington Post Fact Checker awarded the claim “Two Pinocchios,”4 partly because Trump claims credit for a trend that started under Obama and greatly exaggerates the impact of the tax cuts.

The official government statistics report only a $1,400 increase over the first two years of the Trump administration.

The most reliable data about household income is released annually by the U.S. Census Bureau, which in September reported that inflation-adjusted median household income in 2018 was $63,179. This represents a $1,400 increase over the first two years of the Trump administration.5 However, this does not include the period from January 2019 through the present.
The increase during the last two years of the Obama administration was three times larger
The annual data show that median household income increased $4,800 during the last two years of the Obama administration—more than three times greater than during the first two years of the Trump administration.
The $5,000 figure is based on monthly data, which are less reliable than annual figures

 

[Valcazar]

Yea the idea that you guys talk so much and care about it is so weird.

Weird in what way?
Figuring out the arrangements of society pretty much dates back to the dawn of history.

I can’t help but not comment to say how stupid it is. It sucks me in everytime.

Right.
It's clearly incredibly important to you that people accept your view of politics as the proper and correct one.

You guys are men right?

Why would that be remotely relevant unless you think "men" is an important part of the hierarchy you want to enforce?

 

[boobtoucher]

He did no such thing. In the 3 years leading up to COVID the US growth rates were 2.5%, 2.9% and 2.5%. But more importantly real median incomes were rising faster than at any time in the 21st century.

Sorry to shatter your world view:

The Trump administration was ruining the pre-COVID-19 economy too, just more slowly

You don’t have to be an economist to know how the U.S. economy is doing today: It’s an utter shambles, with tens of millions of workers unable to find the work they need to get by, and with tens of millions of families facing extreme hardship and anxiety. These terrible conditions are mostly the...

www.epi.org

 

[PeterParker1000]

He did no such thing. In the 3 years leading up to COVID the US growth rates were 2.5%, 2.9% and 2.5%. But more importantly real median incomes were rising faster than at any time in the 21st century.

You are absolutely right.

I find it strange that Canadians use biased news sources to argue you are wrong.

From personal experience Trump years were fantastic pre-Covid for myself and most people I know.

Obama years were good as well but he inherited a post crash bounce back