Hamas will release 33 hostages

Frankfooter

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I guess that's kind of like the 30-40,000 Gazan lives that would have been saved if Hamas had only surrendered a year ago instead of waiting for this ceasefire.

And I think that all those lives are worth more than $40B
In order of responsibility I would list:
1) Netanyahu
2) Biden
3) Ben Gvir
4) Gallant

Hamas offered this same deal a year ago.

 
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I prefer a combo of charges from the ICC and ICJ, along with international sanctions laid by the UN and a global BDS campaign.
That would be the best non-violent way forward.

But after zionism has become synononous with genocide, we now also need a campaign to end the zionist movement.
Nice try....you're basically saying, It's ok for Hamas to terrorize because ICC and ICJ really have nothing on Israel.
 

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Once you start posting Amnesty you also have to accept the Amnesty reports that say Israel is apartheid, the occupation illegal and Israel is committing genocide.
Palestinians do kill those they claim are traitors the same way Israelis do and pretty much most countries in the world.
Same with Ukrainians.

Have I posted to the contrary?
That was my point to Notty as well, you can't accept an investigation that supports your narrative from an independant organization and then dispute a report from the same organization that doesn't fit your narrative.
The only report from Amnesty I have evr questioned is the one from Ukrine on the hospital attack.
The investigators only interviewed Russian commanders and didn't even travel to the site or interview any Ukranians before they wrote their report.
The Amnesty investigators that were in Ukranine at the time were not consulted and some even resigned after that report was filed.
 

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I believe that the accepted number of people killed by Hamas was 1,200.

Published by the US State Department 3 months ago.

Anniversary of October 7th Attack - United States Department of State

Today, we mark a devastating and tragic anniversary. On October 7, 2023, more than 1,200 men, women and children, including 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries, were slaughtered by Hamas the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Girls and women were sexually assaulted. The depravity of Hamas’s crimes is almost unspeakable.

Hamas also took 254 people hostage that day, including 12 Americans.


Israel did not kill their own people.
1,222 is, as stated in the article, "more than 1,200" not 1,200.
In the days following Oct 7th, I had posted about some drone and Apache videos I had seen that clearly show missiles and guns taking out trucks and motorcycles that had unarmed civilians and some with their hands visibly restrained behind their backs.
I had mentioned it reminded me of the movie Speed where Keanu Reeves character said to shoot the hostage to remove the barganing chip.
 

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Hmm, should we listen to admission of guilt from the IDF who took part or a political statement by Genocide Joe's government?
Hmm.
He was speaking for himself, not the IDF. That is one person, and who knows what his "motivations" may be.

The State Department is speaking on behalf of the people's government. That department probably has 1st hand reports from hundreds of people, not just one.

I'll take the clearly more credible source, the State Department.
 

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Nice try....you're basically saying, It's ok for Hamas to terrorize because ICC and ICJ really have nothing on Israel.
Where did you come up with that from what I posted?
You're worse than basketcase and shack.

The ICC has warrants out for Netanyahu and Gallant.
The ICJ has files opened in prep for charges though Israel is trying to force change there.

Hamas should be charged for war crimes.
Israel should be charged for the illegal occupation, apartheid, blockade, acquisition of land through war, transfer of population, targeting civilians and genocide.

Hold them both to the law.
 
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He was speaking for himself, not the IDF. That is one person, and who knows what his "motivations" may be.

The State Department is speaking on behalf of the people's government. That department probably has 1st hand reports from hundreds of people, not just one.

I'll take the clearly more credible source, the State Department.
I'll take the word of Haaretz, IDF witnesses and the UN over a state complicit and funding genocide.
 
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Where did you come up with that from what I posted?
You're worse than basketcase and shack.

The ICC has warrants out for Netanyahu and Gallant.
The ICJ has files opened in prep for charges though Israel is trying to force change there.

Hamas should be charged for war crimes.
Israel should be charged for the illegal occupation, apartheid, blockade, acquisition of land through war, transfer of population, targeting civilians and genocide.

Hold them both to the law.
who's charging Hamas? they are terrorists...they're being dealt like terrorists...
 
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All those clowns that laughed at me when I was Biden was weak POS that made the USA complicit with the genoicide now now exactly how quick a non senile president can assert his will over Israel. He's not even in office and his envoy is in Qatar and visted Israel to ram the ceasfire down Bibis throat. Not sure if he did that physically, but I hope so. Maybe punched him in his prostate surgury wound. lol. Biden has allowed the lunatics to run amok in Israel . The USA has paid a massive price in global reputation for this bloodbath that it has funded and supported. It looks like Trump is calling a stop to it. But I still think he is a zionist. I am not sure what his next move is. But clearly Bibi no longer has free reign.
 
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All ceasefire offers have been phased deals. ...
Sorry clown but you've been endlessly opposing any ceasefire that wasn't an immediate end to the war and told us that Hamas needs to keep the hostages. This is as dumb as you praising the UN statement about a two State peace after a decade of endlessly opposing that same solution.

And just a reminder that Hamas' hostages include a 2 years old and 5 year old who aren't even slated to be released in the first phase.
 

Frankfooter

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All those clowns that laughed at me when I was Biden was weak POS that made the USA complicit with the genoicide now now exactly how quick a non senile president can assert his will over Israel. He's not even in office and his envoy is in Qatar and visted Israel to ram the ceasfire down Bibis throat. Not sure if he did that physically, but I hope so. Maybe punched him in his prostate surgury wound. lol. Biden has allowed the lunatics to run amok in Israel . The USA has paid a massive price in global reputation for this bloodbath that it has funded and supported. It looks like Trump is calling a stop to it. But I still think he is a zionist. I am not sure what his next move is. But clearly Bibi no longer has free reign.
The worry is that trump is doing this to make Biden look bad and will let Netanyahu continue once he's in office.
But that video he again posted saying Netanyahu dragged the US into the Iraq and Syrian wars might mean he's done with Netanyahu.

 

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I am for anything that stops the slaughter of inncents, but the crimes committed by Israel and the damage to its international image will remain.
As will the crimes committed by Hamas.

This deal isn't much different than the UNSC plan that Hamas rejected a few months back. Think about how much suffering has happened simply because Hamas wouldn't make the deal back then.
 

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Sorry clown but you've been endlessly opposing any ceasefire that wasn't an immediate end to the war and told us that Hamas needs to keep the hostages. This is as dumb as you praising the UN statement about a two State peace after a decade of endlessly opposing that same solution.

And just a reminder that Hamas' hostages include a 2 years old and 5 year old who aren't even slated to be released in the first phase.
So you think there was another ceasefire that wasn't an end to the genocide that you think would have been better?
Was that the demand that Hamas return the hostages so Israel could kill everyone without worrying about killing the hostages too?

That's the ceasefire you wanted?
wow

 

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The world says Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and should end the occupation within a year.
Palestinians have been trying to get them to end the occupation for 76 years.
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And the problem is that you like Palestinians in Hamas see all of Israel as 'occupied' and won't stop violence until all the jews are gone.

Every time you refer to 1949 instead of 1967, all you do is prove yourself an extremist who is both anti-immigrant and pro-ethnic cleansing.
 
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