Hamas will release 33 hostages

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This was the most detailed article I have seen regarding casualties with descriptions of some of the children killed and how hey were killed.
It is from Dec 15th, 2023.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ity-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths
"Its website lists 695 people killed during the attack, with names and the circumstances of their deaths.
Among them are 36 children, including 20 under 15 years old and 10 killed by rockets.
The youngest victim was 10-month-old Mila Cohen, shot and killed then at Kibbutz Beeri.
An entire family, including three children aged between two and six, were killed in their home at Kibbutz Nir Oz.
Elsewhere, two brothers aged five and eight were shot dead in their car with their parents.
A five-year-old boy was killed in the street by a rocket."

List of the names, ages, location, and how they died on Oct 7.
This was updated on Jan 10th, 2025 with more names and autopsy results.
https://www.gov.il/en/pages/swords-of-iron-civilian-casualties

The baby you mentioned was 10 month old Mila Cohen, whose mother survived.
The testimony called into question was that on October 27 by Colonel Golan Vach, head of the army's search and rescue unit, who told a group of journalists, including one from AFP, that he "personally" transported "a decapitated baby" found in the arms of his mother in the Beeri kibbutz.
According to Bituah Leumi, only one baby was killed in Beeri: the 10-month-old Mila Cohen
These are the findings of an independent investigation into the attack where they mention her and her family and describe what happened to them.

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In one incident investigated by the Commission, members of three generations of the Cohen family were killed by members of armed groups and other people from Gaza, including 73-year-old Yona Cohen, her 43-year-old son Ohad Cohen and his 9- month-old daughter Mila. Ohad’s wife and their two other sons survived the attack. At the onset of the attack, the family hid in the safe room of their house. At 11:47, Ohad texted to his cousin that militants were massacring residents and burning homes. By this time, Ohad’s mother, Yona Cohen, had already been killed by the gunmen in her house located in the western part of the kibbutz. The Commission assesses that at approximately 12:50 militants broke into the safe room, shot and killed baby Mila Cohen, who was held in her mother’s arms, and shot and killed Ohad Cohen. Attackers then captured Ohad’s wife and their two sons and brought them to the back gate of the kibbutz, where they encountered Israeli Security Forces’ firing in their direction. All three were seriously injured in the crossfire but survived."
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default...sessions-regular/session56/a-hrc-56-crp-3.pdf
I think the Haaretz articles might be more useful, even if they don't list the victims with the same details.
What has yet to be figured out is how many Israelis died on Oct 7 due to the Hannibal Directive.

 

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Except you are lying again. You proudly echoed hamas' rejection of past ceasefire deals and the UNSC resolution because it was in stages and you argued that despite what the ICC, UN, HRW, Amnesty, and every group you love to quote say, that Hamas needs to hold on to hostages.

Meanwhile all reporting has this being a phased deal which will result in Hamas returning the living hostages and the remains of those they murdered.
All ceasefire offers have been phased deals. There have been multiple articles showing Netanyahu and Ben Gvir bragging about being the ones that stopped ceasefire deals.
We know know that Biden could have stopped the genocide at any point but instead made Americans pay $40 billion or so to bomb civilians.

Now Israel is shitting bricks over the idea that the press may see what happened in Gaza.




 
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This was the most detailed article I have seen regarding casualties with descriptions of some of the children killed and how hey were killed.
It is from Dec 15th, 2023.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ity-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths
"Its website lists 695 people killed during the attack, with names and the circumstances of their deaths.
Among them are 36 children, including 20 under 15 years old and 10 killed by rockets.
The youngest victim was 10-month-old Mila Cohen, shot and killed then at Kibbutz Beeri.
An entire family, including three children aged between two and six, were killed in their home at Kibbutz Nir Oz.
Elsewhere, two brothers aged five and eight were shot dead in their car with their parents.
A five-year-old boy was killed in the street by a rocket."

List of the names, ages, location, and how they died on Oct 7.
This was updated on Jan 10th, 2025 with more names and autopsy results.
https://www.gov.il/en/pages/swords-of-iron-civilian-casualties

The baby you mentioned was 10 month old Mila Cohen, whose mother survived.
The testimony called into question was that on October 27 by Colonel Golan Vach, head of the army's search and rescue unit, who told a group of journalists, including one from AFP, that he "personally" transported "a decapitated baby" found in the arms of his mother in the Beeri kibbutz.
According to Bituah Leumi, only one baby was killed in Beeri: the 10-month-old Mila Cohen
These are the findings of an independent investigation into the attack where they mention her and her family and describe what happened to them.

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In one incident investigated by the Commission, members of three generations of the Cohen family were killed by members of armed groups and other people from Gaza, including 73-year-old Yona Cohen, her 43-year-old son Ohad Cohen and his 9- month-old daughter Mila. Ohad’s wife and their two other sons survived the attack. At the onset of the attack, the family hid in the safe room of their house. At 11:47, Ohad texted to his cousin that militants were massacring residents and burning homes. By this time, Ohad’s mother, Yona Cohen, had already been killed by the gunmen in her house located in the western part of the kibbutz. The Commission assesses that at approximately 12:50 militants broke into the safe room, shot and killed baby Mila Cohen, who was held in her mother’s arms, and shot and killed Ohad Cohen. Attackers then captured Ohad’s wife and their two sons and brought them to the back gate of the kibbutz, where they encountered Israeli Security Forces’ firing in their direction. All three were seriously injured in the crossfire but survived."
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session56/a-hrc-56-crp-3.
Anyone who knows anything can read through the falsehoods of these details. If the baby was hit by a PALI rocket the entire body would be disinegrated and they woudl all be dead as they are contact fused RPGs. Tank rounds are armour piercing and typically fused to explode when they hit hard targets, so the round went right through, took off the head and did not explode if it did, none of them would have lived. Only injuries were likely from shrapnel of created by the shell passing through the house at very high speed.
 
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I think the Haaretz articles might be more useful, even if they don't list the victims with the same details.
What has yet to be figured out is how many Israelis died on Oct 7 due to the Hannibal Directive.

If you figure the total at 1,222, including Jews, Israeli Palestinians and Bedouins along with foreign nationals, that died during the October 7 attack, minus the 803 listed as killed by Hamas, that leaves 419 that were most likely killed by the IDF.
How many of those 419 were Israeli or other nationalities? Not a clue.
We do know that at 11.22 a.m., the IDF issued an order to its Gaza division that stated, “Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza.” A military source in Israel’s Southern Command said “Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers … Everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza.”
Bluntly put the Hannibal Directive was issued.
 

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Anyone who knows anything can read through the falsehoods of these details. If the baby was hit by a PALI rocket the entire body would be disinegrated and they woudl all be dead as they are contact fused RPGs. Tank rounds are armour piercing and typically fused to explode when they hit hard targets, so the round went right through, took off the head and did not explode if it did, none of them would have lived. Only injuries were likely from shrapnel of created by the shell passing through the house at very high speed.
Please post the source for this baby being beheaded by a tank round.
As I had posted, there is no evidence of this, the only mention of it is by a soldier who said he took a beheaded 10 month old from its mother in the Kibbutz Beeri.
Then Tweets saying it was beheaded by the IDF.
There was only one 10 month old killed in that area and was shot, not beheaded.
Also the investigation you say contains falsehoods in the details was done by the same organization investigating IDF crimes, yet you don't dispute the results in those investigations because they don't fit your narrative.
Much like when you say Putin invaded Ukraine because of NATO expansion, yet in Putins own words he says that was not the reason at all.

Also just an FYI, tank rounds are not all armor piercing, there are High explosive (he), smoke, High explosive squash head (hesh), High Explosive Fragmentation (HEF) among others.
A tank commander would not use an armor piercing round on a building, they would use a round designed for it.
 

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If you figure the total at 1,222, including Jews, Israeli Palestinians and Bedouins along with foreign nationals, that died during the October 7 attack, minus the 803 listed as killed by Hamas, that leaves 419 that were most likely killed by the IDF.
How many of those 419 were Israeli or other nationalities? Not a clue.
We do know that at 11.22 a.m., the IDF issued an order to its Gaza division that stated, “Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza.” A military source in Israel’s Southern Command said “Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers … Everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza.”
Bluntly put the Hannibal Directive was issued.
‘Israeli citizens certainly don’t need enemies when they have the government of POS Nation as their friend. Imagine the outcry if Palestinians shot their own citizens as they were being kidnapped by the IDF.

Somehow POS Nation tries to portray murdering it’s own citizens as “sacred” A noble endeavor for a higher cause. What a shithole.
 

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‘Israeli citizens certainly don’t need enemies when they have the government of POS Nation as their friend. Imagine the outcry if Palestinians shot their own citizens as they were being kidnapped by the IDF.

Somehow POS Nation tries to portray murdering it’s own citizens as “sacred” A noble endeavor for a higher cause. What a shithole.
Yup imagine that.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/
On 8 April, members of a Palestinian armed group in Nablus city in the northern West Bank killed a man they suspected of working for Israeli surveillance, the first killing of an alleged “collaborator” in nearly 20 years. On 24 November, members of an armed group in Tulkarem refugee camp west of Nablus publicly killed two Palestinian men who they claimed were “collaborators”. Palestinian police made no arrests in either case.
In Gaza, armed men affiliated with Hamas rounded up approximately a dozen men on 21 November, alleging that they worked for Israeli forces, and summarily killed them.
https://www.jns.org/hamas-shooting-palestinians-seeking-to-flee-gaza-fighting/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/hamas-killing-its-own-civilians
 

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Yup imagine that.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/
On 8 April, members of a Palestinian armed group in Nablus city in the northern West Bank killed a man they suspected of working for Israeli surveillance, the first killing of an alleged “collaborator” in nearly 20 years. On 24 November, members of an armed group in Tulkarem refugee camp west of Nablus publicly killed two Palestinian men who they claimed were “collaborators”. Palestinian police made no arrests in either case.
In Gaza, armed men affiliated with Hamas rounded up approximately a dozen men on 21 November, alleging that they worked for Israeli forces, and summarily killed them.
https://www.jns.org/hamas-shooting-palestinians-seeking-to-flee-gaza-fighting/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/hamas-killing-its-own-civilians
Inane
 

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If you figure the total at 1,222, including Jews, Israeli Palestinians and Bedouins along with foreign nationals, that died during the October 7 attack, minus the 803 listed as killed by Hamas, that leaves 419 that were most likely killed by the IDF.
How many of those 419 were Israeli or other nationalities? Not a clue.
We do know that at 11.22 a.m., the IDF issued an order to its Gaza division that stated, “Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza.” A military source in Israel’s Southern Command said “Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers … Everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza.”
Bluntly put the Hannibal Directive was issued.
Its even less when you count the 400 or so of the dead on Oct 7 who were IDF. That means of the 800 or so civilians how many were really killed by Hamas and how many were killed by the IDF Apache and tank fire?

I do really hope there are full investigations on everything that has happened on both sides as much as I hope this genocide ends and we really start understanding 'never again'.

 
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Yup imagine that.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/
On 8 April, members of a Palestinian armed group in Nablus city in the northern West Bank killed a man they suspected of working for Israeli surveillance, the first killing of an alleged “collaborator” in nearly 20 years. On 24 November, members of an armed group in Tulkarem refugee camp west of Nablus publicly killed two Palestinian men who they claimed were “collaborators”. Palestinian police made no arrests in either case.
In Gaza, armed men affiliated with Hamas rounded up approximately a dozen men on 21 November, alleging that they worked for Israeli forces, and summarily killed them.
https://www.jns.org/hamas-shooting-palestinians-seeking-to-flee-gaza-fighting/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/hamas-killing-its-own-civilians
Once you start posting Amnesty you also have to accept the Amnesty reports that say Israel is apartheid, the occupation illegal and Israel is committing genocide.
Palestinians do kill those they claim are traitors the same way Israelis do and pretty much most countries in the world.
Same with Ukrainians.

 
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There's no denying the thousands of palestinians that died since Oct 7 2023...People here act like Hamas has no hand in those deaths are delusional...You fuckers keep downplaying Oct 7. That triggered the shitstorm for Palestinians...Sinwar and Hamas knew exactly what they are doing and knew exactly what will happen to palestinians...get over it...they lost and now willing to offer ceasefire because when Trump sits on the iron throne, he will be defunding the UN and UNRWA...that's what he meant when he said "hell to pay"...without UN UNRWA. Hamas will be fucked way worst.
 

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There's no denying the thousands of palestinians that died since Oct 7 2023...People here act like Hamas has no hand in those deaths are delusional...You fuckers keep downplaying Oct 7. That triggered the shitstorm for Palestinians...Sinwar and Hamas knew exactly what they are doing and knew exactly what will happen to palestinians...get over it...they lost and now willing to offer ceasefire because when Trump sits on the iron throne, he will be defunding the UN and UNRWA...that's what he meant when he said "hell to pay"...without UN UNRWA. Hamas will be fucked way worst.
The world says Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and should end the occupation within a year.
Palestinians have been trying to get them to end the occupation for 76 years.

What do you think they should do?
Shut up and accept living in a concentration camp under apartheid rule or resist the occupation?
 

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If you figure the total at 1,222, including Jews, Israeli Palestinians and Bedouins along with foreign nationals, that died during the October 7 attack, minus the 803 listed as killed by Hamas, that leaves 419 that were most likely killed by the IDF.
I believe that the accepted number of people killed by Hamas was 1,200.

Published by the US State Department 3 months ago.

Anniversary of October 7th Attack - United States Department of State

Today, we mark a devastating and tragic anniversary. On October 7, 2023, more than 1,200 men, women and children, including 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries, were slaughtered by Hamas the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Girls and women were sexually assaulted. The depravity of Hamas’s crimes is almost unspeakable.

Hamas also took 254 people hostage that day, including 12 Americans.


Israel did not kill their own people.
 

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The world says Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and should end the occupation within a year.
Palestinians have been trying to get them to end the occupation for 76 years.

What do you think they should do?
Shut up and accept living in a concentration camp under apartheid rule or resist the occupation?
Do you trust ICC, ICJ and UN? Since you're championing the claims of apartheid and "illegal occupation". enough evidence of it should be submitted to ICC and ICJ to solve the problem in Gaza.

Do you support the Hamas actions and believe it will solve the problem in Gaza?
 
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