Trump says NATO members should raise defense spending to 5% of GDP

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Donald Trump on Tuesday pushed NATO members to boost their defense spending to five percent of GDP, underlining his long-standing claims that they are underpaying for US protection.

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"They can all afford it, but they should be at five percent not two percent," the incoming US president told reporters.

"Europe is in for a tiny fraction of the money that we're in," Trump said. "We have a thing called the ocean in between us, right? Why are we in for billions and billions of dollars more money than Europe?"

Trump has long been skeptical of NATO, the cornerstone of security in Europe since World War II, and last month reiterated a familiar threat to leave the alliance if its members did not step up spending.

The transatlantic alliance's 32 countries in 2023 set a minimum level for defense spending of two percent of gross domestic product, and Russia's war in Ukraine has jolted NATO to strengthen its eastern flank and ramp up spending.

Trump is not the only top official to call for an increase -- NATO chief Mark Rutte likewise said last month that "we are going to need a lot more than two percent."

Rutte also warned that European nations were not prepared for the threat of future war with Russia, calling on them to "turbocharge" their defense spending.

In his remarks on Tuesday, Trump claimed that President Joe Biden decided Ukraine should be able to join NATO, suggesting that this helped lead to Russia's all-out invasion in February 2022.

"Somewhere along the line, Biden said, no, they should be able to join NATO. Well, Russia has somebody right on their doorstep, and I could understand their feeling about that," Trump said.

NATO allies in reality agreed to Ukrainian membership in 2008 -- when Republican president George W. Bush was in office -- while the United States and Germany have more recently backed away from allowing Kyiv to join out of fear it could drag the alliance into a war with Russia.

Trump has vowed to press for a quick deal to end Russia's war, raising concerns about the future of US military aid for Kyiv that has been key to helping it resist Moscow's assault.

The conflict "should have never been started," Trump said Tuesday, adding: "I guarantee you, if I were president, (the) war would have never happened."

 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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The Americans want to be the worlds police. If they spend 5% on military that's up to them.
Exactly.
Give us the same economic benefits if you want us to spend 5% lol.
On the other hand, we should probably spend the 5% to defend from baboons like Trump and their rash decisions. lol.
 

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Trump's plan is for the American Mafia to extort
humungus protection money from NATO members
through purchase of U.S. military junks. If his plan
succeeds Trump will be the most beloved president
in history to the U.S. military industrial complexes.
 

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Why should Canada be exempt?

Canada doesn't even spend the minimum amount and hasn't for years.

Not that I think we should be exempt but we are not living in
the neighborhood of Ukraine like the EU and the UK are. It sucks
big time for us to have to spend as much money as 5% of GDP on
defense against Putin on top of all the money Trudeau already
squandered on Zelensky's Ukraine.

Perhaps Trudeau as ex-PM can finally do something good to the
nation by moving to Washington to become Trump's valet in exchange
for exemption from the 5% defense spending.
 
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Why should Canada spend 5% on the Defence Spending when Trump's 25% tariffs is designed to lower all the NATO members GDP in the first place?
 

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Exactly.
Give us the same economic benefits if you want us to spend 5% lol.
On the other hand, we should probably spend the 5% to defend from baboons like Trump and their rash decisions. lol.
If Trudeau is to remain in power we will continue sending money to
Ukraine to defend western civilization against Russian invasion into
Europe (after conquest of the entire Ukraine) and eventually Arctic Canada.

Now I don't mean to take Trump's side but isn't it logical for Trump
to assume NATO members will have to increase defense spending
for their own protection against Putin anyway after U.S. military aid
to Ukraine is halted?

If Trump is to withdraw aid to Ukraine altogether it is only diplomatic
for him to issue a warning to NATO members beforehand like a landlord
sending eviction notice to the tenants.
 

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Biden provoked a war in Ukraine. The things the USA military lobby get their govt to do to sell weapons is the thing of spy novels.
 

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No you destroy NATO by not financially supporting it....That is what Justin and his Liberals were doing.
So of course you support Trump's 5% ask but how dare Justin and Biden help Zelenski against one of the biggest dangers, Putin?

Although now we have a bigger danger, Trumputin.
 

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So of course you support Trump's 5% ask but how dare Justin and Biden help Zelenski against one of the biggest dangers, Putin?
Trump's 5% spending demand is only good for EU's security future. It
is EU not Putin who stands to benefit from NATO members shoring up
defense against Russia.

I don't object to Trump's 5% demand on NATO members in Europe
(UK included) only. Wouldn't it be great if we no longer need to send
money to Ukraine like Trudeau did?


Although now we have a bigger danger, Trumputin.
 

squeezer

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Trump's 5% spending demand is only good for EU's security future. It
is EU not Putin who stands to benefit from NATO members shoring up
defense against Russia.

I don't object to Trump's 5% demand on NATO members in Europe
(UK included) only. Wouldn't it be great if we no longer need to send
money to Ukraine like Trudeau did?
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While you acknowledge Putin and his war in the Ukraine, don't forget about North Korea and China's stance on Taiwan and the threat that they are to the stability to peace in the world, along with Putin. Peace doesn't just happen because we are a nice and peaceful nation, it happens because we can stand up for ourselves or with others, to protect that peace. Power dictates peace, not weakness and we need to bring back a stronger Canadian military presence to help maintain this peace.
 
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