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jalimon said:
Even if I am pretty much what could be called a liberal (even if 3 last time I voted it was not for Justin...) I agree with you to some extent.

Not all Muslin are extremists. It's just a fraction of them. Yet I can now say that most Muslin have absolutely no intention to integrate into our society. And will impose their culture and religion on us. It's the way they are. It took me many years to come up to that conclusion.

In Quebec we are trying to remove all religious symbols, prayers, etc... from public service and public areas. And we are targeted by the rest of Canada as racist...

It's a pity. We need to integrate immigrants into our culture, and our way of life. We need to stop being so nice.
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I used to think the same way a few years ago, I was more left leaning, but reality has sinked in and I've become pragmatic. This crazy wokeism has become destructive and fascist. One has just to look at Europe to understand what's going on, after letting in millions of

migrants that don't want to integrate, want welfare, expect that the welcoming country change country to accomodate them and take advantage of their good will. No wonder the right is surging, people are tired. The Imams here and the US preach hatred, hundreds of

video on line. Even the Imam of the mosque of the New Orleans terrorist was preaching hated against Jews. You can tell by the crazy Jihadists here on Terb. Here's the link to terrorist s preacher

 
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Vinson said:
Its crazy how the Liberals align themselves and defend Muslim extremists, even when evidence is in front of their nose. Its a sickness.
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Which Liberals defend Muslim Extremists? That is a lie being provoked by the Far Right, who on the other hand defended the far right propaganda in the past!!
We all condemn any acts of terrorism be it from the Far Right, ISIS, Al Qaeda, IRA, Ulster Unionists or other religious groups in the past!!
 
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jalimon said:
Not all Muslin are extremists. It's just a fraction of them. Yet I can now say that most Muslin have absolutely no intention to integrate into our society. And will impose their culture and religion on us. It's the way they are.
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Not all Muslims are extremists. Some may harbor extremist views in private, believing they are acting in accordance with their faith. Others may adopt tough rhetoric only in the company of like-minded individuals. Meanwhile, some Muslims appreciate and adopt aspects of Western culture, though they may not openly express these preferences within their communities There are Muslim men that hobby and go out with non Muslim women, they will not admit this to friends and family. I have known Muslim women that have adopted the ways of the western world and have allowed me to do things with them that are not uncommon with non Muslim women. If they were to admit these things to their families, their lives would be in danger and her family would do jihad on me.
People from various religions often adapt their practices based on convenience. For example, while the Catholic faith traditionally requires abstinence from meat on Fridays, many members disregard this rule, even on Good Friday one day of the year. Similarly, I’ve known Jewish individuals who avoid eating bacon or ham at home to keep kosher but feel comfortable consuming it outside the home. In Islam, it is sometimes recommended that women seek treatment from female Muslim doctors when possible. Yet, during my last visit to a doctor’s office, I noticed several women wearing hijabs in the waiting room, prepared to see a male, non-Muslim doctor. They are even required bring along a spouse or male relative if they see a male Muslim doctor as a chaperone to ensure propriety and decorum.
 
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They had a right to quote the Koran in a Christian market, if they try to incite violence, they will be shoot dead within seconds. When it comes to their guns, Italians are not Americans.

Italy has a No Quarter policy to terrorism.

 
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Insidious Von said:
They had a right to quote the Koran in a Christian market, if they try to incite violence, they will be shoot dead within seconds. When it comes to their guns, Italians are not Americans.

Italy has a No Quarter policy to terrorism.

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No quarter my ass, they've been raping left and right, throwing away the food they supply them, people are complaining that Meloni is too soft.
 
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bver_hunter said:
Which Liberals defend Muslim Extremists? That is a lie being provoked by the Far Right, who on the other hand defended the far right propaganda in the past!!
We all condemn any acts of terrorism be it from the Far Right, ISIS, Al Qaeda, IRA, Ulster Unionists or other religious groups in the past!!
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In the views of those fascists, anything other than demanding the removal of all Muslims is "defending extremism".
 
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basketcase said:
And other than seeing a tweet, do you have any evidence that the Muslims in this case went over the limits?
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My comment did not state an opinion on what they did, simply as at what point have the boundaries been breached. Like yelling fire in a theatre is clearly unacceptable. We can accept that freedom of speech is a must, but how much is too much.
 
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My comment did not state an opinion on what they did, simply as at what point have the boundaries been breached. Like yelling fire in a theatre is clearly unacceptable. We can accept that freedom of speech is a must, but how much is too much.
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The great replacement marches on, Darwinism is evident everywhere in the West.
What will Western Europe and Canada look like in 40 years? Then there is the USA, they have the same fate, maybe even worse and MAGA is just pale shelter.
 
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This is entirely the Italians fault. Isn't Italy home to the Vatican? Wasn't it called the Holy Roman Empire?

Saudi Arabia is the land of the two mosques. Forget reciting the Bible, you can't display a cross in public.

Italy is also the home of the mafia, camorra and ndrangheta. Maybe they should let them deal with this.
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Bit of a tangent, but no, it was not called the Holy Roman Empire, that was actually Germany. Some northern Italian kingdoms did get annexed into it by force when Emperor Otto I (a German) invaded and took them over, (more than 100 years after the HRE was formed) but the Holy See was never part of it. As Voltaire reportedly said, it was not Holy, nor Roman, nor am Empire. It was a loose Confederation of German states with almost no religious unity (it officially went Protestant for crying out loud) and no affiliation whatsoever to the Roman Empire or Rome other than the emperor and the head of the Roman Catholic Church frequently bickered about who had authority over the other.

On topic, Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy where an autocratic leader decrees the rules and everyone has to obey them under whatever penalty he deems appropriate as enforced by Sharia law. Is that really a system you want to mimic? You would have our Democratic and legal systems struck down to prevent Muslims from having freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of religion? Or if that's not what you're saying, what exactly is your point of bringing up Saudi Arabia?

As for your last paragraph, do you really support criminal organizations bypassing the legal system and punishing people (it sounds like you implied killing them, actually) for exercising their legal freedoms?

It's disturbing to me that you don't suggest using the Democratic process to pass a law or amend the existing ones to stop something you don't like. You just jump straight to the Mafia.

I question what's more harmful to Democracy and Western values: Muslims exercising their freedoms or people like you who seem to long for autocratic rule or dictatorship and the removal of basic human rights from groups you don't like, including endorsing violence against them by criminal syndicates. Villifying groups to the point you think it's ok for violence to be perpetrated against them is literally how Fascism started. We used to take pride in how fought against those ideas and defeated them, vowing never again to let hatred and injustice win. I guess times have certainly changed.
 
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Bucktee said:
It does until Muslims become a majority. Then freedom of speech applies to nobody.
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It's an interesting dilemma though.

The solution is to get Canadians (and Europeans, or Christians if you think that's the most important thing) to have more babies to support our system. Why aren't they? Because they're educated enough to know they can't afford to. Of course we could make it affordable, but the people that most want to keep immigrants out also don't want to make that happen and instead go on about bootstraps, the welfare state, and the evil boogieman of "Democratic socialism" because they only see the word "socialism" in there and don't understand the difference between it and Marxism.

The history and statistics really bear it out well: the more democratic socialist the society, the more homogenous it is. The US is a bigger melting pot than Canada which is a bigger melting pot than the more progressive parts of Europe which is a bigger melting pot than Scandinavia. Or I guess you could go the way of some people here and decide you want to mimic an autocratic society and hope for a dictator that shares exactly your values, only strips rights from those you don't like but never you, and won't ever betray you or send you or your children off to die for their ego. But then you're really abandoning all Western values anyway and at that point does it really matter anymore?
 
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