Elon musk calls Justin Trudeau an insufferable tool

[Skoob]

Yes they would have.
EVs existed before Tesla and others infact make better EVs than Tesla today.
And Gates and Jobs may have started their companies earlier.
But they accomplished changing people's lives just a few years after the launch of their products.
Also I did not drop the argument that Elon is a con because he claims to be an engineer at all. It is right there in the post you have responded to. You are not reading.
So nice try pretending they only changed lives 40 years hence.
On the other hand it has been almost 20 years since the roadster rolled out and till date EVs are still a minority.
Yes tech development is faster today.
And yes everyone else is doing what Tesla is doing today as well.
Infact they are doing it just as, if not better than Tesla.
Throughout your argument you are unable to show any examples at all about how Elon has accomplished anything that counts as truly transformative.
All you could come up with are excuses for Elon.

Tesla (Model Y) is the #1 selling EV globally. If others are better then why is that?
Musk undertook engineering input in most of his products so you are wrong there.

Gates and Jobs did not change people's live in "just a few years after the launch of their products". In fact, several of their products were failures.

If you're just going to drop misinformation as the basis of your argument you will keep looking foolish and uninformed.

 

[jalimon]

Elon mocking Trudeau proves us that he as become obsessed by Trump. He is the new Lindell.

There is one very important rule in business. Stay away from politics. Never publicly root for a party over another. You want to donate, fine. Donate and shut the fuck up. Time will prove I am correct.

 

[squeezer]

Elon mocking Trudeau proves us that he as become obsessed by Trump. He is the new Lindell.

There is one very important rule in business. Stay away from politics. Never publicly root for a party over another. You want to donate, fine. Donate and shut the fuck up. Time will prove I am correct.

At the moment based on his wealth accumulated since supporting the orange monkey, he's kicking ass. I agree though, once Trump gets into actual power and starts messing the country up, that will change.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Tesla (Model Y) is the #1 selling EV globally. If others are better then why is that?
Musk undertook engineering input in most of his products so you are wrong there.

Gates and Jobs did not change people's live in "just a few years after the launch of their products". In fact, several of their products were failures.

If you're just going to drop misinformation as the basis of your argument you will keep looking foolish and uninformed.

So Tesla is a successful business.
Not a transformative one.
And I am referring to personal computing and smartphones.
Yes they changed lives.
Otherwise you wouldn't be using a personal computer or a smartphone to write on this board.
And they did so about a decade into their products launches. Infact quicker in the case of smartphones.
You are once again engaged in mental gymnastics.
All you have for Elon are excuses.

 

[Skoob]

So Tesla is a successful business.
Not a transformative one.
And I am referring to personal computing and smartphones.
Yes they changed lives.
Otherwise you wouldn't be using a personal computer or a smartphone to write on this board.
And they did so about a decade into their products launches. Infact quicker in the case of smartphones.
You are once again engaged in mental gymnastics.
All you have for Elon are excuses.

You said other companies are doing better than Tesla with EVs and I proved you wrong. Now you pivot your point about them when your argument failed.
Who is doing gymnastics here?

Do you know why Tesla is a successful business?
Because they were innovative and changed people's options for vehicles that don't need gas.
Their innovation sparked other companies to do the same and to invest in a similar technology.
Quebec is going to bas gas powered cars in 2035. Why do you think that is and do you think that will change people's lives?

Apple was founded in 1976.
First iPhone was released 30 years later.
You are criticizing Musk like you would be criticizing Jobs early in Apple's history.

Your argument keeps failing miserably.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You said other companies are doing better than Tesla with EVs and I proved you wrong. Now you pivot your point about them when your argument failed.
Who is doing gymnastics here?

Do you know why Tesla is a successful business?
Because they were innovative and changed people's options for vehicles that don't need gas.
Their innovation sparked other companies to do the same and to invest in a similar technology.
Quebec is going to bas gas powered cars in 2035. Why do you think that is and do you think that will change people's lives?

Apple was founded in 1976.
First iPhone was released 30 years later.
You are criticizing Musk like you would be criticizing Jobs early in Apple's history.

Your argument keeps failing miserably.

How did you prove me wrong? All your points were refuted.
Other companies did better to transform lives than Tesla ever did.
This is a fact that you cannot refute with evidence because the impacts are there to see. I provided several examples.

Once again you keep making this mistake of equating being successful and innovative with transformative.
Successful and innovative companies are dime a dozen.
Transformative ones like Google, FB, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon etc are few and far between.
Tesla, SpaceX do not fall in this category.
They fall in the category of successful.

By the way your Apple example is a dishonest failure.
Apple released McIntosh in 1984. Apple was instrumental in revolutionizing more than one thing - personal computing and smartphones.

Again Tesla does not come close to them in terms of accomplishments.
Your mental gymnastics are getting more and more futile.
All you have for Elon are excuses. Not once have you been able to show a transformative example and show how it was transformative.
"Oh its too early to say" - well if it is too early, then how can you consider him transformative? You are admitting he hasn't accomplished anything transformative right there.
The only reason you defend him is because you are MAGA and so is he.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

You said other companies are doing better than Tesla with EVs and I proved you wrong. Now you pivot your point about them when your argument failed.
Who is doing gymnastics here?

Do you know why Tesla is a successful business?
Because they were innovative and changed people's options for vehicles that don't need gas.
Their innovation sparked other companies to do the same and to invest in a similar technology.
Quebec is going to bas gas powered cars in 2035. Why do you think that is and do you think that will change people's lives?

Apple was founded in 1976.
First iPhone was released 30 years later.
You are criticizing Musk like you would be criticizing Jobs early in Apple's history.

Your argument keeps failing miserably.

Tesla is successful only because of Liberal governments. Think about that if the hamster on the wheel in your head hasnt had a heart attack

 

[Skoob]

How did you prove me wrong? All your points were refuted.
Other companies did better to transform lives than Tesla ever did.
This is a fact that you cannot refute with evidence because the impacts are there to see. I provided several examples.

Once again you keep making this mistake of equating being successful and innovative with transformative.
Successful and innovative companies are dime a dozen.
Transformative ones like Google, FB, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon etc are few and far between.
Tesla, SpaceX do not fall in this category.
They fall in the category of successful.

By the way your Apple example is a dishonest failure.
Apple released McIntosh in 1984. Apple was instrumental in revolutionizing more than one thing - personal computing and smartphones.

Again Tesla does not come close to them in terms of accomplishments.
Your mental gymnastics are getting more and more futile.
All you have for Elon are excuses. Not once have you been able to show a transformative example and show how it was transformative.
"Oh its too early to say" - well if it is too early, then how can you consider him transformative? You are admitting he hasn't accomplished anything transformative right there.
The only reason you defend him is because you are MAGA and so is he.

The first iPhone...the product you have kept using as an example as being "transformative", was released in 2007. 30+ years after Apple was founded.
Macintosh only held about 6% of the home PC market in 1984. Is that your example of a revolutionary product?

The SpaceX Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy are the most used reusable rockets on the planet.
The Falcon 9 is the only one that's commercially available to launch people into orbit.
You don't think that's revolutionary enough?

Like I said, every time you try to peddle facts you screw it up.
But the truth is that Musk could cure cancer, and now that he supports Trump, you would still think he hasn't accomplished anything.

You would have more integrity just admitting that rather than peddling misinformation and looking foolish.

 

[Skoob]

Tesla is successful only because of Liberal governments. Think about that if the hamster on the wheel in your head hasnt had a heart attack

The hamster in your head died a long time ago considering Tesla received the bulk of its funding under George W. Bush between 2007-2009. Without which they wouldn't have succeeded.

But we all know grasping facts is not your strong suit. You would rather play with hamsters.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The first iPhone...the product you have kept using as an example as being "transformative", was released in 2007. 30+ years after Apple was founded.

Oh really?
Let us set aside the fact that the personal computer and smartphone are different products.
But both products completely altered the way we live and conduct business.
This is undeniable.

Let us also use your logic (or lack thereof). Tesla was formed more than a CENTURY after the 1st EV.
It is still a badly constructed vehicle, that holds a minority of the automotive market share, and is unaffordable for most.
It has not transformed anything at all.
Neither the way we drive, nor consumer behaviour.

So there you go.
Your entire argument buried right there.
Your mental gymnastics will only take you so far.
At some point you may be better served by admitting to the truth that you defend Elon because you are MAGA than failing miserably everytime you respond.

 

[Skoob]

Oh really?
Let us set aside the fact that the personal computer and smartphone are different products.
But both products completely altered the way we live and conduct business.
This is undeniable.

Let us also use your logic (or lack thereof). Tesla was formed more than a CENTURY after the 1st EV.
It is still a badly constructed vehicle, that holds a minority of the automotive market share, and is unaffordable for most.
It has not transformed anything at all.
Neither the way we drive, nor consumer behaviour.

So there you go.
Your entire argument buried right there.
Your mental gymnastics will only take you so far.
At some point you may be better served by admitting to the truth that you defend Elon because you are MAGA than failing miserably everytime you respond.

It was you who mentioned that computers and smartphones were transformative and totally overlooked the fact that it took them decades to get to that.

You logic keeps failing you. The first computer was created in the 1800's. The first personal computer was released in 1973. Are you now going to blame Gates and Jobs for taking too long to be "transformative" based on that like you're blaming Musk?

Don't try to be clever...you're not good at it.

Just say you hate Musk for shallow reasons and leave at that.

Trying to fool anyone you actually have any factual info is failing you.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It was you who mentioned that computers and smartphones were transformative and totally overlooked the fact that it took them decades to get to that.

Apple was formed in 1976 and they produced the first personal computer in 1984.
It took decades?
You must be smoking something real strong.
Personal computers were the product category that was being developed at that time and they brought one to market within 8 years.
It then proceeded to revolutionize personal computing.

Personal computers eventually developed, reduced formed factor, and became smartphones by the early 2000s. (There is a reason your smartphone is actually considered a computer).
Within a decade of that, Apple brought the iPhone to market.
Again revolutionized telecommunications.

The first EV was built in the 1800s.
Tesla brought one to market in 2006.
Till today they are minnows.
They haven't revolutionized anything.
So there you go.

No I dont have to try to be clever.
One does not need to be clever to counter your mental gymnastics.

 

[Skoob]

Apple was formed in 1976 and they produced the first personal computer in 1984.
It took decades?
You must be smoking something real strong.
Personal computers were the product category that was being developed at that time and they brought one to market within 8 years.
It then proceeded to revolutionize personal computing.

Personal computers eventually developed, reduced formed factor, and became smartphones by the early 2000s. (There is a reason your smartphone is actually considered a computer).
Within a decade of that, Apple brought the iPhone to market.
Again revolutionized telecommunications.

The first EV was built in the 1800s.
Tesla brought one to market in 2006.
Till today they are minnows.
They haven't revolutionized anything.
So there you go.

No I dont have to try to be clever.
One does not need to be clever to counter your mental gymnastics.

iPhone took decades like I said.
Macintosh only had a 6% market share in 84 and remained there until the early 90's.
More people preferred the Commodore 64 and Atari over Macintosh.
So that product did in fact take decades to gain traction only hitting 12% market share in the 90's and dropping until the mid/late-2000's.

So 1976-2006 is 3 decades.

So yes it took decades.

Want to keep looking foolish?

Be my guest.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

iPhone took decades like I said.

So 1976-2006 is 3 decades.

So yes it took decades.

Oh really?
Since you have made this claim, can you show me proof that the iPhone's development started in 1976?
As I said your mental gymnastics will only take you so far before you make yourself look foolish.

 

[Skoob]

Oh really?
Since you have made this claim, can you show me proof that the iPhone's development started in 1976?
As I said your mental gymnastics will only take you so far before you make yourself look foolish.

You're being slippery.
The point was when the company/founder started because you seem to flip flop between these topics.

If you blame Musk for not developing anything that wasn't already in existence then you have to use that same logic with Jobs.

First cell network/phones were released in the late 70's. If it wasn't for that Apple would never have explored the development of the iPhone.

Stop looking foolish.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You're being slippery.
The point was when the company/founder started because you seem to flip flop between these topics.

Here is your exact quote.
I am not interpreting, or summarizing. I am using your direct quote.
You said:
"iPhone took decades like I said. So 1976-2006 is 3 decades. So yes it took decades."
So, provide proof for your claim that the development of the iPhone started in 1976.
Let people witness your mental gymnastics as you try to weasel your way out of this one.

 

[Skoob]

Here is your exact quote.
I am not interpreting, or summarizing. I am using your direct quote.
You said:
"iPhone took decades like I said. So 1976-2006 is 3 decades. So yes it took decades."
So, provide proof for your claim that the development of the iPhone started in 1976.
Let people witness your mental gymnastics as you try to weasel your way out of this one.

No that was in response to you suggesting Elon has taken 20 years to progress the EV market.
Like I said...you're slippery.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

No that was in response to you suggesting Elon has taken 20 years to progress the EV market.
Like I said...you're slippery.

That is the truth.
Its been close to 20 years since the roadster rolled out and about 21 years since the start of Tesla.
Tesla is still just another car. Nothing transformative there.
You claimed that it took 30 years to develop the iPhone.
So provide proof that the development of the iPhone started in 1976.
Or admit that Apple is transformative and Tesla is not.
Because it is fact.
Or are you going to do your trademark double backflip one more time?

 

[Skoob]

That is the truth.
Its been close to 20 years since the roadster rolled out and about 21 years since the start of Tesla.
Tesla is still just another car. Nothing transformative there.
You claimed that it took 30 years to develop the iPhone.
So provide proof that the development of the iPhone started in 1976.
Or admit that Apple is transformative and Tesla is not.
Because it is fact.
Or are you going to do your trademark double backflip one more time?

21 years and the best selling EV on the market that has also resulted in many automotive companies joining the market to provide alternatives to gas vehicles.
That is transformative regardless if you like EVs or not.

iPhone iOS was based on the MacOS.
MacOS was released in 2001...decades after Apple was founded.

Cell phones weren't something that Apple made "transformative". They already existed.
IBM released the first smartphone in 1996 (SIMON). iPhone was released more than a decade later.

So you continue to look foolish.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

21 years and the best selling EV on the market....

Yeah because it is one of very few EVs in the market.
The big ones like Ford are infact shifting focus away from EVs. That is the opposite of "transformative".
EVs themselves are a minority of the automotive market.
Hence why Tesla/Musk are not transformative.
Unlike iPhones and Personal Computers which made smartphones and personal computers ubiquitous and changed culture and behaviour.
And I did not say Apple made cellphones transformative. I said Apple made smartphones that revolutionized communication.
You are grasping and you are yet to provide proof for your statement that the development of the iPhone started in 1976.
You are grasping and you are yet to provide any proof that Tesla has transformed the automotive space, culture and consumer behaviours.
You keep doing our double twisting double backflip and you keep landing on your face.