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Mayor Chow Want to Cap Rideshare Licences

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I'm starting to smell your rusty wheels turning...

Keep going...you're almost there...

Tell us again where the government gets its money and then us again why you think the private sector was "bailed out" by the government?

OR

Here's an analogy to help you reach enlightenment...

I'm going to force you to pay me money under threat of jail time.
You keep paying me every day.
Then one day, in order to keep the economy stable and help you make ends meet...so that you can continue to pay me while earning a living...I help you by giving you some of that money back.

So tell us again how the private sector should be grateful for the government bailing them out?
Nice word salad.
I answered the question directly.
Here is the expanded version:
The government earns revenue via taxes and provides essential services to citizens that help maintain quality of life.
They also provide essential services to the private sector without which the private sector wont be able to do business or turn a profit.
The private sector on the other hand profits off of a taxpayer's money.
Despite profiting, their irresponsible business practices resulted in them losing their money, which the government took it upon themselves to bail them out.
So yes, the private sector needs to be grateful to the government.
Not the other way around.
 

Skoob

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Nice word salad.
I answered the question directly.
Here is the expanded version:
The government earns revenue via taxes and provides essential services to citizens that help maintain quality of life.
They also provide essential services to the private sector without which the private sector wont be able to do business or turn a profit.
The private sector on the other hand profits off of a taxpayer's money.
Despite profiting, their irresponsible business practices resulted in them losing their money, which the government took it upon themselves to bail them out.
So yes, the private sector needs to be grateful to the government.
Not the other way around.
Where does the government get the money to "provide essential services" and "also provide services to the private sector"?

Walk us through the entire path from where the money comes from, how it's generated, etc to when the government gets it.

I'll wait...
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Where does the government get the money to "provide essential services" and "also provide services to the private sector"?

Walk us through the entire path from where the money comes from, how it's generated, etc to when the government gets it.

I'll wait...
I literally said that in my post.
Tax revenue.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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"tax revenue" is the "what".
You haven't answered from "who" specifically?

(and don't be evasive by answering "tax payers").
Why will I be evasive?
I am not a mental gymnast like you.
From multiple sources.
Citizens primarily in the form of income tax and GST/HST.
Business in the form of corporate taxes - heavily subsidized and in many cases allowing them to pay zero taxes because of favourable tax laws - again only possible because of the government.
Dont forget these corporate taxes are passed on to the consumer and included in the pricing of products and services, so ultimately it is the citizens that bear it.
This does not help your argument.
 

Anbarandy

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If you're going to jump into a conversation at least leave your conspiracy theories behind so you don't keep looking foolish and respond out of context.
Again, for the factually and cognitively impaired quoted above:
Where is Doug Fraud getting the $3.4billion to bribe taxpayers with their own money for his wholly unlegislated for, unwanted, unneeded and unnecessary planned early election?

Where is your Dear Leader getting $2.4billion to gift to private sector leaseholders on taxpayer's land on the lake?

Where is the Fraudster in the Pink Palace getting up to $1billion to pay off multi-national brewers so that liquor can be unnecessarily sold in convenience stores 1 year earlier than would have been required?

Where does this dolt get all this money from to so brazenly and unnecessarily rip-off Ontario taxpayers just so he can gift it to the private sector? Where Skoob, from whom does your Dear Leader pickpocket this money from?
 

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Why will I be evasive?
I am not a mental gymnast like you.
From multiple sources.
Citizens primarily in the form of income tax and GST/HST.
Business in the form of corporate taxes - heavily subsidized and in many cases allowing them to pay zero taxes because of favourable tax laws - again only possible because of the government.
Dont forget these corporate taxes are passed on to the consumer and included in the pricing of products and services, so ultimately it is the citizens that bear it.
This does not help your argument.
While I agree with your bottom line that the consumer pays for everything since corporate costs get passed into the prices. However, consumers have choices as to what the consume, so they choose to pay those prices.

Now to allude that corporation are heavily subsidized, not sure how you get there. Corporate taxes are about 35% of personal taxes, so they are paying for things. Also, they employ people, who otherwise wouldn't be paying income taxes, so indirectly these corporations are responsible for the lion's share of personal income taxes. They also pay other taxes, either directly if they own property or indirectly if they rent their premises through their rent. Do corporation get tax incentives, sure, in some cases I don't agree with them, but the intent is to have them reinvest in their company and grow and employ more people to increase the standard of living overall.

You have a very distorted view of things, which leans to a very socialist perspective.
 

Anbarandy

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No I’m serious. I just want what’s right in the world. Out of so many qualified people in the city you elect an old Asian grandmother.

its not right, its just not normal
You're not serious at all.

You want only what you want and not nothing but.

She is very qualified, as qualified or more qualified as any other mayor in Canadian history. The people of Toronto voted for her. You have a problem with democracy because you know very little about it.

You're not right. You're not normal.

Wouldn't that make you a "freak of nature"?
 

Anbarandy

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Anbarandy

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"tax revenue" is the "what".
You haven't answered from "who" specifically?

(and don't be evasive by answering "tax payers").
Why are you evading your own question?
Where is Doug Fraud getting the $3.4billion to bribe taxpayers with their own money for his wholly unlegislated for, unwanted, unneeded and unnecessary planned early election?

Where is your Dear Leader getting $2.4billion to gift to private sector leaseholders on taxpayer's land on the lake?

Where is the Fraudster in the Pink Palace getting up to $1billion to pay off multi-national brewers so that liquor can be unnecessarily sold in convenience stores 1 year earlier than would have been required?

Where does this dolt get all this money from to so brazenly and unnecessarily rip-off Ontario taxpayers just so he can gift it to the private sector? Where Skoob, from whom does your Dear Leader pickpocket this money from?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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While I agree with your bottom line that the consumer pays for everything since corporate costs get passed into the prices. However, consumers have choices as to what the consume, so they choose to pay those prices.

Now to allude that corporation are heavily subsidized, not sure how you get there. Corporate taxes are about 35% of personal taxes, so they are paying for things. Also, they employ people, who otherwise wouldn't be paying income taxes, so indirectly these corporations are responsible for the lion's share of personal income taxes. They also pay other taxes, either directly if they own property or indirectly if they rent their premises through their rent. Do corporation get tax incentives, sure, in some cases I don't agree with them, but the intent is to have them reinvest in their company and grow and employ more people to increase the standard of living overall.

You have a very distorted view of things, which leans to a very socialist perspective.
People and corporates pay taxes.
People pay taxes only because they have salaries. Corporates do because they turn a profit.
People have salaries only because they are paid by their employers (government or corporations).
Corporates only pay salaries because people pay for their products and services and they are able to turn a profit.
Corporates are able to produce products and services only because the laws and regulations enacted by the government are conducive for conducting business, and help them turn a profit.
The government collects all these taxes and in-turn provides services to people and businesses, that help us maintain quality of life and help businesses conduct business.
So essentially money goes around in a circle, which is why that last line in my previous post remarked that this does not help Skoob's argument.
Therefore the debate is not on how money flows.
The debate is who is more valuable - the public sector or the private sector.
The public sector is more valuable because they provide essential services.
They build roads, they provide city infrastructure, they regulate profit making industries that makes consumption easier, they provide healthcare, pensions, employment insurance, pay for disability, employ law enforcement, EMTs, defend the nation and enact laws to promote an attractive business environment etc.,
And they also bail out the private sector during recessions.
This does not mean the private sector is not important.
But they exist within the environment the public sector creates.
Hence the public sector/government is the most important.
This is just reality not socialism.
 
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You're not serious at all.

You want only what you want and not nothing but.

She is very qualified, as qualified or more qualified as any other mayor in Canadian history. The people of Toronto voted for her. You have a problem with democracy because you know very little about it.

You're not right. You're not normal.

Wouldn't that make you a "freak of nature"?
Personal attacks because you guys failed at electing a good candidate. Toronto is failing. I care nothing about your garbage. I want to see Toronto prosper.

keep electing progressive candidates like that and see what happens. I can tell you are on the wrong side of where the world is going
 
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Anbarandy

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Personal attacks because you guys failed at electing a good candidate. Toronto is failing. I care nothing about your garbage. I want to see Toronto prosper.

keep electing progressive candidates like that and see what happens. I can tell you are on the wrong side of where the world is going
Right. Sure

"Freak of nature", "garbage" are your words and shining examples of NOT being a serious, nor informed person.

After almost 13 years of conservative right-wing, center-right mayors and conservative right-wing, center-right council majorities that drove Toronto to edge of the fiscal, financial, abyss and left a city in decay the people of Toronto elected one of the most qualified candidates in Canadian history as mayor.

Why do you despise democracy and/or democracy that doesn't fit your narrow, minded, one sided, skewed and biased view of life?

Do you even live in Toronto?
 

JohnLarue

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So?
They are still citizens.
The private sector is a reference to businesses.
Not people.
Do you need lessons in English now?
My English is fine, thank you
Your comprehension is the issue.

when was the last time you encountered a business with no people?

you are accumulating a lot of stranger than fiction ideals

  1. illegals are not criminals
  2. AOC is not a fembot carbon copy of the socialist idiot Trudeau
  3. The private sector is businesses. Not people.
whatever education system you daydreamed your way through, it is not doing its job
 

JohnLarue

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Hence the public sector/government is the most important.
This is just reality not socialism.
that is a steaming pile of bullshit
and it is a steaming pile of socialist bullshit

if there were no public sector/government, people would still trade
trade has existed long before any form of govt was started (war lords)
and
people would still trade with an eye to making a profit on each trade. that is human nature

without the private sector, the public sector is redundant and would soon run out of other people money
it is a dependant of the private sector,

now pay attention, this is important

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Shaquille Oatmeal

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My English is fine, thank you
Your comprehension is the issue.

when was the last time you encountered a business with no people?

you are accumulating a lot of stranger than fiction ideals

  1. illegals are not criminals
  2. AOC is not a fembot carbon copy of the socialist idiot Trudeau
  3. The private sector is businesses. Not people.
whatever education system you daydreamed your way through, it is not doing its job
that is a steaming pile of bullshit
and it is a steaming pile of socialist bullshit

if there were no public sector/government, people would still trade
trade has existed long before any form of govt was started (war lords)
and
people would still trade with an eye to making a profit on each trade. that is human nature

without the private sector, the public sector is redundant and would soon run out of other people money
it is a dependant of the private sector,

now pay attention, this is important

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When your bullshit is called out, lash out and resort to lying, more bullshit and childish repetition.
 
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